Comments on: Annotated 22-17

By: Zak McKracken

Zak McKracken — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 21:05:44 +0000

Hmm… not quite. German Nazis did keep friggin books on many of their violent excesses. They had a strict hierarchy. It was pretty much absolute orders and strict discipline regarding everyone above one’s station, and despotic rule over everyone below. Undisciplined chaotic violence was totally fine, as long as it hit the designated target group, and nobody who had power over you. It was, essentially, unbounded rage on one side and a strict hierarchical system on the other, which may have been used as much for windowdressing as for actual organizing, but it was definitely different from the Countless Limbs, who have no issue killing just about anyone, whenever, regardless of any association, imagined or real, of their victim with any particular target group/ideology or whatever. I mean, they’re slaughtering each other for fun!

Another angle: Try to imagine the “bothers” marching in formation. Not gonna happen.

By: Lurklen

Lurklen — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 22:16:55 +0000

I wrote a death cult that was based around the idea that suffering was wrong, and all life/existence lead to suffering, therefore the only moral response was the annihilation of all life. I mean they were completely nuts, but they really didn’t see it as evil, just necessary. To further things, they even believed an after life was not ideal as it extended the suffering of some to eternal levels, and left others sitting for eternity who would likely be exposed to suffering later (given the underlying nature of reality) so they didn’t just want death, they wanted annihilation (hence spheres of annihilation, which were their inspiration).

These guys seem to know in some part that they are part of a constructed reality, and that their lives are without meaning. That all life is without meaning, so they hold life as no sacred thing. Morality means nothing to them, there is no evil and good as far as they are concerned, those are false paradigms. They think their view is beyond them. In a way I think they think their action is the only way to fight back against the absurd rules of their reality, and so they are rebelling against the construct of their universe. I don’t think that’s evil for evils sake, though it is a direct fuck you to god.

By: Lurklen

Lurklen — Sun, 29 Mar 2020 22:05:02 +0000

The Nazi’s were masters of Public Image. So many of their philosophies were concerned with appearances it didn’t actually matter what was underneath them, ironic from a group obsessed with blood purity. At the same time Hitler was preaching about the sins of prostitution against humanity, he was running rape camps for his soldiers. The power of their Image was so great, they bought it too (not unlike our cult friends here) and so did the world.

The aesthetic of the Nazi’s was all about projecting that cold, efficient, calculating, and powerful presence, but they were far more guilty of excess than the people they decried (HOW MANY GOLD EAGLES DO WE NEED, I THINK ANOTHER ONE HERE) and all that crisp uniformity and slick presentation hid the fact that this well ‘oiled machine’ was kind of flying itself and no one was really in control. It would have been even scarier if they had been. Like, imagine if all the shit we now know was going on behind the scenes, hadn’t happened, and those venal monsters had actually been as competent as the image they projected (which given the damage they did, while also constantly infighting and screwing each other over, they could have been.With several being shown to be good at their jobs, but either caught up in, or destroyed by the infighting) the Nazi’s might have had a chance. I think we’re lucky they were so corrupt and ideologically bankrupt. The last thing you want is a group like that that has momentum, presence, ability, and conviction. Those kinds of people can get a lot done good or bad.

By: Velgar

Velgar — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:45:17 +0000

Extremely well said. :D

By: TachyonCode

TachyonCode — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:06:49 +0000

Typos fixed: this, overtly.

To be even more clear: offense and hate are gut reactions; caution is a reasoned reaction.

This makes caution inherently more forgiveable, barring any of the three impulses being clarified further by context.

It is not wisdom to be uncautious; it is an absence of concern for your own protection. It is naive. It is suicidal.