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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2018 12:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the takeaway here is that there&#039;s really NO value-neutral way to express this skin color that&#039;s also both widely recognized and not tied to Terran place names, which probably says something about us right there. I still think &quot;Oriental&quot; might raise fewer eyebrows than &quot;yellow&quot; in the quasi-medieval context of Arkerra, but had you been sitting on my shoulder and whispering &quot;golden&quot; to me at the time, I might&#039;ve gone with that one. It&#039;s not widely known, but the meaning is easy to infer next to &quot;white&quot; and &quot;black.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the takeaway here is that there&#8217;s really NO value-neutral way to express this skin color that&#8217;s also both widely recognized and not tied to Terran place names, which probably says something about us right there. I still think &#8220;Oriental&#8221; might raise fewer eyebrows than &#8220;yellow&#8221; in the quasi-medieval context of Arkerra, but had you been sitting on my shoulder and whispering &#8220;golden&#8221; to me at the time, I might&#8217;ve gone with that one. It&#8217;s not widely known, but the meaning is easy to infer next to &#8220;white&#8221; and &#8220;black.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Freemage</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 22:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hm... Gonna be That Guy, here, though hopefully with due respect and at least some notion of nuance.

&quot;Oriental&quot;, for folks resembling this world&#039;s East Asians (Chinese, Pacific Rim) is... problematic, at best.  It&#039;s not an outright slur, obviously, but it&#039;s got a bit of a negative history to it (not the least being that the term originally referred to what&#039;s now the Middle East). 

Of course, most of the other terms that might be chosen tend to have the same issue as &quot;East Asian&quot;--they&#039;re based on geographic and historic features that don&#039;t exist in Akarra (&quot;Mongolian&quot;, for instance).  I suppose I&#039;d just bite the bullet and default to &#039;yellow&#039; or even &#039;golden&#039;, to contrast with white/black/brown.  If there were a race consonant with the indigenous American tribes, I&#039;d opt for &#039;russet&#039;, for what I think are obvious reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm&#8230; Gonna be That Guy, here, though hopefully with due respect and at least some notion of nuance.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oriental&#8221;, for folks resembling this world&#8217;s East Asians (Chinese, Pacific Rim) is&#8230; problematic, at best.  It&#8217;s not an outright slur, obviously, but it&#8217;s got a bit of a negative history to it (not the least being that the term originally referred to what&#8217;s now the Middle East). </p>
<p>Of course, most of the other terms that might be chosen tend to have the same issue as &#8220;East Asian&#8221;&#8211;they&#8217;re based on geographic and historic features that don&#8217;t exist in Akarra (&#8220;Mongolian&#8221;, for instance).  I suppose I&#8217;d just bite the bullet and default to &#8216;yellow&#8217; or even &#8216;golden&#8217;, to contrast with white/black/brown.  If there were a race consonant with the indigenous American tribes, I&#8217;d opt for &#8216;russet&#8217;, for what I think are obvious reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: TachyonCode</title>
		<link>http://guildedage.net/comic/annotated-3-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1337934</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to presume, but judging from context clues in the phrasing of that post, I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;pretty&lt;/i&gt; sure the hypothetical ethnicity references that were the start of this conversation - and not the comic characters they inspired - are the ones Shweta was discussing how to refer to here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to presume, but judging from context clues in the phrasing of that post, I&#8217;m <i>pretty</i> sure the hypothetical ethnicity references that were the start of this conversation &#8211; and not the comic characters they inspired &#8211; are the ones Shweta was discussing how to refer to here.</p>
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		<title>By: TachyonCode</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TachyonCode]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 03:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of that was the gist of my point (but replace skin color with literally any set of stereotypical physical features including that).

And Oriental, if you look it up, generally refers to the countries - as in, those societies organized under the governments of the region - and therefore only indirectly refers to the people living there, who are not, by any stretch of the imagination, all one ethnicity or culture.

Given that the term falls short of even meeting that standard, it&#039;s definitely not useful for delineating a particular stereotype you want to evoke, unless it&#039;s a specious, racist one.

Which makes it still not a highly respectful way to refer to a person, and therefore bad practice to use it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of that was the gist of my point (but replace skin color with literally any set of stereotypical physical features including that).</p>
<p>And Oriental, if you look it up, generally refers to the countries &#8211; as in, those societies organized under the governments of the region &#8211; and therefore only indirectly refers to the people living there, who are not, by any stretch of the imagination, all one ethnicity or culture.</p>
<p>Given that the term falls short of even meeting that standard, it&#8217;s definitely not useful for delineating a particular stereotype you want to evoke, unless it&#8217;s a specious, racist one.</p>
<p>Which makes it still not a highly respectful way to refer to a person, and therefore bad practice to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 03:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pardo was intended to be white and remained so, though we don&#039;t get a really great look at him in this chapter. However, Her Grace Iwatani&#039;s race did change, at least from what we originally intended. It&#039;s a little ambiguous to my eye here, but while John worked from these early pages, he made the Iwatanis more monochromatic.

We had thankfully few issues like this, and I&#039;d say most of the reason why comes down to the fact that we didn&#039;t get tired of re-reading our old work. To be honest, we had a lot of arguments in GA&#039;s middle period, so keeping that old work in our memories was partly a way to one-up each other when things got tense between us. &quot;Look, dufus, we CAN&#039;T have that character do that here because on page 22 of this chapter, he SPECIFICALLY SAYS...&quot; etc. 

Over at &lt;I&gt;Menage a 3&lt;/I&gt; and related series, my willingness to traipse through the archives makes me the series&#039; unofficial continuity cop. Today&#039;s installment includes a nickname I corrected slightly because either Dave or Gisele remembered it as hyphenated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardo was intended to be white and remained so, though we don&#8217;t get a really great look at him in this chapter. However, Her Grace Iwatani&#8217;s race did change, at least from what we originally intended. It&#8217;s a little ambiguous to my eye here, but while John worked from these early pages, he made the Iwatanis more monochromatic.</p>
<p>We had thankfully few issues like this, and I&#8217;d say most of the reason why comes down to the fact that we didn&#8217;t get tired of re-reading our old work. To be honest, we had a lot of arguments in GA&#8217;s middle period, so keeping that old work in our memories was partly a way to one-up each other when things got tense between us. &#8220;Look, dufus, we CAN&#8217;T have that character do that here because on page 22 of this chapter, he SPECIFICALLY SAYS&#8230;&#8221; etc. </p>
<p>Over at <i>Menage a 3</i> and related series, my willingness to traipse through the archives makes me the series&#8217; unofficial continuity cop. Today&#8217;s installment includes a nickname I corrected slightly because either Dave or Gisele remembered it as hyphenated.</p>
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