Clearly I’m witnessing this conversation too far post-mortem for all of it to be relevant still.
Anyway… if folks don’t recognise my avatar by now, I’ve either not been prolific enough, been banned too often, or just plain in the wrong time-period.
I believe “Ditto” was the better answer to Bandit’s explanation of course barring the fact they were dead she is actually telling bandit the truth more or less from an Obi Wan Kenobi point of view!
After consideration I think she’s lying to protect Byron. This way as few people as possible know he went crazy and killed the whole party, so nobody is likely to cause any trouble on that front.
He didn’t actually kill everyone else though. He had a brief but ultimately harmless melee with Frigg before getting knocked out by Syrnj. At this point only she was still conscious to watch the army kill them like they were always gonna.
If she just told Bandit “Well we quickly neutralized Byron but then the archers got us” it’d be 100% truthful and still keep him free of additional blame.
…this is actually becoming an interesting look at how many ways you can truthfully tell the same while sending entirely separate messages. Leave one inconsequential piece of information out and it recolours the entire story.
I’m not sure, as A Rogue/Theif Halfling, Bandit kinda has the upper hand in Bluff rolls. Perhaps that’s why here story both seemed plausible and rolled off the tongue a lot less staggered than Syr’nj’s.
Sad thing is, though they both may have had good Detect Motive rolls, that in no way fills us in on what either of them is hiding. Syr did a good job sticking to half-truths. But as they say, “You can’t fib a fibber.”
But yeah, that wry smile isn’t helping the case despite them having been seen together and having completely different personalities, only one of which matches the real-world persona we’ve seen.
All right, Bandit is so obviously Daedalus it’s not even funny. Trying to figure out how the four managed to come back from the dead when he thought they were contained, without giving away that it’s all a video game.
That’s what I make of it. And now he knows Gravedust can either change the rules of the game (h4xx0r!), or someone on his development team has sneaked in some undocumented code/content. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next page starts with Daedalus looking at the current scene on a monitor.
Nope. Blonde/blonde is one of the few English word pairs to maintain a gender-based difference.
Personally, as someone who dislikes such things as well as pointless silent letters, I just use “blond” all the time.
First time poster – Just found this series a few days ago and am all caught up.
I don’t think Dedalus NEEDS to be Bandit. He was watching the conversation between Payest Best and Gravedust’s spirit with no trouble, and he wasn’t either of them. Dedalus could have just as easily heard Gravedust explaining how he brought them all back. He certainly seems to keep tabs on them.
Something is definitely fishy though… I’m not sure they can trust Bandit anymore. She remembers most of what happened at least, and the troll blood thing is really out there since those axes nearly cut her in three. In any case I don’t think she appreciated dying too much… if this is even her and not someone else.
I think I’m the same camp as you right now, as I haven’t been keeping notes to tally up who might be whom from “Sepia World”.
My maxim while role-playing tends to be “always be prepared”, which generally means suspect everyone’s motive/intent even if they’re an ally, so withholding information from Bandit is probably the safest bet for the time being.
Maybe, but I don’t think that’s a practice that the world’s most succesful mmo would ever take part in. I think it’s more likely that he was bandit from the very beginning.
I can see the practice having a whole lot of useful applications on a test-server. Shortcuts and manual overrides aren’t really uncommon in that scenario.
Or she died, never resurrected, but Daedalus created a character with her parameters, voice and thus trying to alter the course of the events through the system.
Can’t wait it see what pops up next…
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I have to admit I don’t quite understand what it is they want. Sources? There’s a link to the comic’s homepage. What better and more valid source could there be?
Is it a problem that some passages are copy/pasted official content (like character descriptions)? Should one write “objective” 2nd party articles about GA that aren’t “author content”? But then what about sources if the person in question wrote it on her own?
Does there need to be some non http://www.ga.net related articles written by some “journalist” somewhere that could then be referred to in the wiki thus providing a source and a non biased view?
Yes, their policies are backwards, but if we want GA to be recognized as something that exists and deserves to be recognized as existing… we’d better dig up all we can find.
“Written by Phil and T. Campbell. The former is the anthropomorphic manifestation of the ancient Sumerian Beard God, whilst the latter is an advanced AI who has learned human culture wholly through the internet and various thesauri. Also drawn by John Waltrip, who is notable as being an immortal Egyptian sorceror who lives by producing art. This comic is enjoyed by Jean-Luc Picard, the philosopher John Locke, and many other famous and significant people. (CITATION NEEDED).”
Okay, I’m done. This’ll totally save the page, guys.
Hm… wouldn’t it save the page to extend the informative part a little by telling about philosophical questions, which Guilded Age tries to answer or something? I dunno, mebbe write a little about, without giving out anything of the forecoming script, this deal of outer world/inner world thingy? Then give a few links to your other works, and all is well.
Less meaningful or well written stuff get to stay on wiki, so I don’t understand this… Sorry for tweeting into the discussion.
…They both know that the other one is lying, huh?
And they probably both know that they both know they’re both lying.
But there doesn’t seem to be any harm in playing along for now.
This thread tickles me greatly with the avatars you two were assigned.
Gold Star for the Random Number God?
…Wait, that wasn’t somebody doing that?
Wow. I feel slightly better about the universe now.
Mine certainly fits well enough. :)
The Auld Grump, who’s avatar looks, ummm, auld and grumpy.
Oh yeah? How about me? Sure i like Bandit a whole lot but, well, i don’t really think it suits me, ya know? ^^
Clearly I’m witnessing this conversation too far post-mortem for all of it to be relevant still.
Anyway… if folks don’t recognise my avatar by now, I’ve either not been prolific enough, been banned too often, or just plain in the wrong time-period.
Nothing that Syr’Nj has said so far is technically untrue…
I’m trying to figure out WHY Syr’nj is lying.
She JUST said that Gravedust was able to negotiate coming back from the dead. I don’t see why extending that to the rest of them is considered so bad.
One way or another, they failed utterly and their incompetence was only mitigated by the Hero, Payet Best.
Hrugh. Excuse me for a second while I try not to vomit after saying those words.
I don’t think she planned on telling her about Gravedust. Syrnj is just really bad at this.
I believe “Ditto” was the better answer to Bandit’s explanation of course barring the fact they were dead she is actually telling bandit the truth more or less from an Obi Wan Kenobi point of view!
It wasn’t even metaphorical.
They were restrained in hidden, underground compartments. They were simply also dead.
After consideration I think she’s lying to protect Byron. This way as few people as possible know he went crazy and killed the whole party, so nobody is likely to cause any trouble on that front.
He didn’t actually kill everyone else though. He had a brief but ultimately harmless melee with Frigg before getting knocked out by Syrnj. At this point only she was still conscious to watch the army kill them like they were always gonna.
If she just told Bandit “Well we quickly neutralized Byron but then the archers got us” it’d be 100% truthful and still keep him free of additional blame.
…this is actually becoming an interesting look at how many ways you can truthfully tell the same while sending entirely separate messages. Leave one inconsequential piece of information out and it recolours the entire story.
So does that mean Byron technically protected Bandit by infecting her with troll blood, while the rest of them ended up pushing daisies?
Why doesn’t it surprise me that Lying isn’t in Syrnj’s formidable talent-set?
The lying game.
ah the bluff check, and the players that have no right to abuse it so.
I’m not sure, as A Rogue/Theif Halfling, Bandit kinda has the upper hand in Bluff rolls. Perhaps that’s why here story both seemed plausible and rolled off the tongue a lot less staggered than Syr’nj’s.
Sad thing is, though they both may have had good Detect Motive rolls, that in no way fills us in on what either of them is hiding. Syr did a good job sticking to half-truths. But as they say, “You can’t fib a fibber.”
Syr’s lies are kinda wooden and Bandit’s on to her like Best is on boobs on Payet-day.
Love Bandit’s face in the 2nd panel, very expressive and smart lookin’.
Bandit is a good liar because she only tells small lies, and Syr’nj is clearly green with envy.
Wrinkly Bandit is not my favorite Bandit.
…..Bandit sang Best’s praises?
…Maybe she IS his alt….
I know, right? “Oooh, that sexy, talented, well-endowed hunk of a man Payet Best? I think I know him…” She obviously has some connection to him.
Or she’s heterosexual and has *seen* the man.
But yeah, that wry smile isn’t helping the case despite them having been seen together and having completely different personalities, only one of which matches the real-world persona we’ve seen.
Bandit looks a lot older all of a sudden.
She looks like she could use some sleep. It’s those lines under her eyes.
Either that or she forgot to put her contacts in this morning.
I hope this was a reference to bard quest XD
Shine those shoes!
Other things Gravedust is not proud of: double-tapping Von Carnaj, resurrecting the entire party, and that one strikethrough in his journal.
All right, Bandit is so obviously Daedalus it’s not even funny. Trying to figure out how the four managed to come back from the dead when he thought they were contained, without giving away that it’s all a video game.
That’s what I make of it. And now he knows Gravedust can either change the rules of the game (h4xx0r!), or someone on his development team has sneaked in some undocumented code/content. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next page starts with Daedalus looking at the current scene on a monitor.
Is it me, or has death change Bandit? She seems more reserved and less of a carefree spirit than before.
I guess dying can change your perspective, except most of us don’t get to live with that perspective.
And here I thought “Blonde” and not blond was strictly feminine adjective. Or maybe Bandit is into blonde womenand is just hopeful.
I think all of the adjectives borrowed from French use the feminine form in English.
blond is the masculine, and used in english. sorry.
Actually, the word ‘blonde’ is an adjective describing blond hair and blue eyes specifically. Bandit is blonde.
Nope. Blonde/blonde is one of the few English word pairs to maintain a gender-based difference.
Personally, as someone who dislikes such things as well as pointless silent letters, I just use “blond” all the time.
Hey, if you’re sexy and talented it doesn’t matter if you’re also “blonde”.
It’s actually a kind of beer.
Blond just looks naked without that E to me.
Nothing worse than a naked blond.
Unless you happen to think that naked blonde is Best.
First time poster – Just found this series a few days ago and am all caught up.
I don’t think Dedalus NEEDS to be Bandit. He was watching the conversation between Payest Best and Gravedust’s spirit with no trouble, and he wasn’t either of them. Dedalus could have just as easily heard Gravedust explaining how he brought them all back. He certainly seems to keep tabs on them.
Something is definitely fishy though… I’m not sure they can trust Bandit anymore. She remembers most of what happened at least, and the troll blood thing is really out there since those axes nearly cut her in three. In any case I don’t think she appreciated dying too much… if this is even her and not someone else.
Nice observations!
I think I’m the same camp as you right now, as I haven’t been keeping notes to tally up who might be whom from “Sepia World”.
My maxim while role-playing tends to be “always be prepared”, which generally means suspect everyone’s motive/intent even if they’re an ally, so withholding information from Bandit is probably the safest bet for the time being.
“Constant Vigilance!” Hehehe…
An idea I just had: perhaps Dedalus can pull an Agent Smith, and hijack characters?
Maybe, but I don’t think that’s a practice that the world’s most succesful mmo would ever take part in. I think it’s more likely that he was bandit from the very beginning.
I can see the practice having a whole lot of useful applications on a test-server. Shortcuts and manual overrides aren’t really uncommon in that scenario.
Or she died, never resurrected, but Daedalus created a character with her parameters, voice and thus trying to alter the course of the events through the system.
Can’t wait it see what pops up next…
WHAT HAPPENED WITH MY RANDOMAVATA??? :( (I like this one better. At least this involves a dead person. :D)
You only get one if you don;’t already have a pre-chosen gravatar. For example, take a look at Jean-Luc.
Or me! :D
B-bu-buh, whuh?
What was the point of all that lying if you’re just going to admit that Gravedust can bring people back from the grave?
I wouldn’t want to be in a poker game with these two.
Just got this delightful bon mot:
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The deletionists are why I stopped caring about Wikipedia years ago.
It’s just a massive d@$#-waving contest over there.
I call upon the power of our AWESOME FANS to scour the Internet for sources to add to the wikipedia page and help it survive!
I have to admit I don’t quite understand what it is they want. Sources? There’s a link to the comic’s homepage. What better and more valid source could there be?
Is it a problem that some passages are copy/pasted official content (like character descriptions)? Should one write “objective” 2nd party articles about GA that aren’t “author content”? But then what about sources if the person in question wrote it on her own?
Does there need to be some non http://www.ga.net related articles written by some “journalist” somewhere that could then be referred to in the wiki thus providing a source and a non biased view?
I mean, what the hell guys?
*3rd party :P
Mentions of the comic in print would be the most effective defense against deletion.
Yes, their policies are backwards, but if we want GA to be recognized as something that exists and deserves to be recognized as existing… we’d better dig up all we can find.
“Written by Phil and T. Campbell. The former is the anthropomorphic manifestation of the ancient Sumerian Beard God, whilst the latter is an advanced AI who has learned human culture wholly through the internet and various thesauri. Also drawn by John Waltrip, who is notable as being an immortal Egyptian sorceror who lives by producing art. This comic is enjoyed by Jean-Luc Picard, the philosopher John Locke, and many other famous and significant people. (CITATION NEEDED).”
Okay, I’m done. This’ll totally save the page, guys.
Gold Star.
I’m tempted to just use that for the back of our next book.
I would TOTALLY go to a con just to buy that book and ask for signatures right on that part of it…
Is your nick really based on John Locke the philosopher?
I always thought it was supposed to be Locke Cole the treasure hunter.
Hm… wouldn’t it save the page to extend the informative part a little by telling about philosophical questions, which Guilded Age tries to answer or something? I dunno, mebbe write a little about, without giving out anything of the forecoming script, this deal of outer world/inner world thingy? Then give a few links to your other works, and all is well.
Less meaningful or well written stuff get to stay on wiki, so I don’t understand this… Sorry for tweeting into the discussion.
Some links I managed to scrounge off the e-wall.
Crappy ones:
Literally just the link – http://www.comic-nation.com/comics/show/3842
More of a technical listing – http://website.informer.com/guildedage.net
Again just a short listing but more thorough and up to date – http://www.thewebcomiclist.com/p/15827/Guilded-Age
LJ: http://blairhippo.livejournal.com/
Good/better ones:
Some blog – http://thesingularityblog.net/archives/931
TV Tropes – http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GuildedAge
The review we’ve seen earlier: http://webcomicoverlook.com/2011/01/21/the-webcomic-overlook-148-guilded-age/
Small mention – http://www.tamurancomic.com/?paged=2
Deviant Art fan fiction (known to us form before) – http://angry-buddha-88.deviantart.com/art/Guilded-Age-Guest-Comic-188072195
That’s all I could find. :/ It’s hard to search for because the “gilded age” is such an often used term.
and it looks like the proverbial S#!$ is about to hit the fan