Unfortunately I’m playing Horde at the moment. So a goblin it will be. Always kinda liked the idea of a goblin warrior. Booty Bay Bruisers are bad ass.
The real reason they exist, like the Forsaken Death Knights is that people would complain if they didn’t.
I know you mean from a lore perspective though…I’ll try bullshit.
Okay, worgen are humans afflicted by a curse, right? Well okay imagine if human soldiers fighting against the scourge were afflicted by said curse, and in the heat of battle the change was triggered immediately prior to their deaths. Or you know, a wizard did it.
They probably built the ship in the mines just for the sake of having a ship. You know how pirates are…
And besides, they have to have those goblin lumberjacks in that mine for a reason.
Alright, some heads bashed in, Byron’s philosophy revealed. What was Gravedust’s tone when he asked, “You believe your species lives to /valuable/?” Sarcastic? Curious?
Ontology is a term used in philosophy to refer to the study of being, of how things exist. Syr’nj is referring to the problem of how exactly that big guard guy exists, whether as a human or an ogre. Or a celestial body.
A more interesting question is whether Payet and Syr’nj share the same ontology or not. Are they both elves in the same way?
Seems more like a problem of taxonomy to me, since ontology is usually more a question of whether categories exist (and if so what kind) and less about which category a particular thing falls into. But hey, it was fun dialogue either way.
Well, Syr’nj is a wood elf, and appears to actually be made out of plant tissue, judging by the way she speaks.
Payet, on the other hand, is a Shit Elf, so it’s logical that he would be made of…
Wait…
Wait a second there…
THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.
Given that Wood Elves are actual plants, and that other elves seem to be animal in nature, I doubt that they are related, unless the wood elve3s either changed themselves or were changed by their gods at some point in their history. I suspect that elf in this language just means pointy-eared, the same way dwarf just means short. I love having a player with a dwarf character come to the realization that humans are all mocking his height by calling him a dwarf, when he thought it was like Amercians calling those of Nippon Japanese, just a corruption of translation.
Pirates in a mineshaft, this from the minds who gave us demonic vampire elves. More on the topic of the comic, I love how the sound effects are weapons in and of themselves.
ROFL! I have been greatly enjoying today’s discussions. This is the first comic I’ve started reading at the begining and it is fun to see how the comments section grows as more people discover it! As a wow player, I am NOT looking forward to Cataclysm, since I still haven’t “caught up” in wrath. My DK is still only 76! Before you call me a slacker, consider I have just graduated college, have two kids, and a full time job that is sometimes an over time job. :-P
I got to say, Frig is *tough*. Nothing unusual for a setting like this, but swinging that mace while in plate mail, with what looks like a tower shield on her back? All while carrying on a conversation? That’s even more impressive to me than bending the bars (: She’s not just strong, she has endurance (constitution?).
Wait. The flashforward starting chapter 2:
Byron: “Dusty says there’s five cultists inside…”
Frigg: “Oh, NICE! Wait, who’re YOU fighting?”
I assumed she meant, “five for me, because I’m dope.” And she probably meant that, but now it seems it was also “five for me, because you won’t kill your own kind.” And he didn’t have his axes out in the ensuing fight, which I never really thought about.
Not that I’m surprised that all the details are planned out or nothin’.
I’ve been reading this comic since around the third week, so obviously, I think it’s very well done. I have to say though, so far, Byron is one lousy berserker. Don’t get me wrong–he’s a great character, just not a berserker. If he calmly narrates and makes horrible puns while fighting kobolds, contributes strategy but little actual damage against other monsters, and has to be careful and not kill anyone when fighting humans, when DOES he ‘zerk out?
I don’t know much about berserkers, but it don’t think it is something you can just turn off and on. Going berserk means going into a blind rage and losing control, it looks more like a mental illness then an abillity.
Byron seems to be the down and out strategist for the group as well, and foaming at the mouth doesn’t leave room for much strategy. Each situation we’ve seen Byron in has been about him maintaining control off the situation as well, like Paul said the moment he berserks is the moment he’s lost control. ;) so be patient at wait for that wonderful little apex like the rest of us.
A GOOD berserker knows how to turn it on and off. The idea behind that fighting style is that they harness their rage and use it to kick ass. They wouldn’t be very useful if they couldn’t control it.
The thing about a berserker, in my opinion, is that the ability only activates after enough damge, physically or emotionally, is dealt that they ‘zerk out.
Y’know… I used to play the Baldur’s Gate games a lot… and not once did I ever have Minsc go berserk outside of scripted events (where he had to).
It just isn’t necessary.
It seems to have sailed right by everyone that this is a fantasy RPG setting where they know what planets are, AND THAT IS IMPORTANT WORLD-BUILDING, PEOPLE.
This reminds of the time I and my friends were playing a D&D campaign that our GM had made. We were exploring an ‘abandoned’ fortress. Abandoned as in: Full to the brim of Kobolts, goblins, traps and an Ogre.
Unfortunately for us the first time we saw the ogre it was sleeping so we decided to let our rouge try to sneak attack her. He was successful, though sadly not successful enough. He hit the ogre in the eye doing a good amount of damage, too bad for him she awoke from that, with us just outside the room.
The Ogre starts screaming from pain, but it was a weird sort of screaming, not that our rouge could care, seeing as he was being squished like a small tube in her arms. But what the rest of us heard was, “Who dares! Who dares wake a lady like me up in such a rude manner! I am a lady ye know! A lady!”
We managed to calm her down and give us back our half-squished rouge back after we healed her eyed.
What we learned from this was that never ever sneak attack a sleeping ogre, and most of all. Never attack a lady, especially when she is 3-4 meters tall and has muscles bigger than your head.
“I don’t understand the question” bwa ha ha…gotta love the Frigg!
That’s one big guard.
“I have a dagger of Ogre Slaying, I want to use that…”
I’m not sure a dagger could reach anything vital on this guy.
That’s just a matter of how man +’s it has on it.
Or if Frigg and Bandit have ever read X-men….
Dagger in eye.
Solves most problems.
When did JourneyQuest come out? Cause this sounds like a ref.
Today, the alt text, I chuckled. Surprise from Byron too.
What is the mouse-over text revering to?
That would be the latest WoW expansion “Cataclysm” where the worgen race was introduced
Seriously? Worgen?
For real?
Worgen were guaranteed to become a player race from the moment some low level first made his way into Silverpine or Duskwood.
I’m sorry, you lost me a “Wolfmen in Top Hats.”
That’s funny, he HAD me at “Wolfmen in Top Hats and Possibly Monocles” different strokes I suppose.
I dug the idea too, then I remembered it was WOW….
Unfortunately I’m playing Horde at the moment. So a goblin it will be. Always kinda liked the idea of a goblin warrior. Booty Bay Bruisers are bad ass.
I’m sorry for replying to this; it has nothing to do with the topic; but I just wanted to see how thin the comment space could get.
I second the previous poster, and wonder if two one-letter words might show up on the same line. a a .
i coulda sworn he was talking about Dragon age for a sec… but i was oh wait worgen…Yeah iam looking forward to being a werewolf DK though…
A Worgen being a Death Knight only exacerbates things.
I dare you to explain how that would make sense like, at all.
The real reason they exist, like the Forsaken Death Knights is that people would complain if they didn’t.
I know you mean from a lore perspective though…I’ll try bullshit.
Okay, worgen are humans afflicted by a curse, right? Well okay imagine if human soldiers fighting against the scourge were afflicted by said curse, and in the heat of battle the change was triggered immediately prior to their deaths. Or you know, a wizard did it.
At first I figured, “Okay, they escaped Gilneas, went up to Northrend, and found themselves in deep crap with the Lich King REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY.”
But the new patch just destroys that idea.
It isn’t any stupider than Dranei DK’s.
Worgen Death Knight makes more sense than Undead Death Knight at least.
Yeah that does seem to get a little redundant, doesn’t it.
I always wondered how Undead could be Priests, myself…
Something about worshipping The Shadow.
Presumably it’s a reference to the Deadmines in WoW too, a mine filled with wannabe pirates.
I still don’t understand how they got the ship in there in the first place. I didn’t see an opening anywhere in that cavern for it to sail through.
Huh…that seriously never occurred to me…
They probably built the ship in the mines just for the sake of having a ship. You know how pirates are…
And besides, they have to have those goblin lumberjacks in that mine for a reason.
Joe: There’s a gigantic double door in front of the ship. You can see the other side in northwestern Stranglethorn Vale.
Sweet layout in the third panel.
It’s like they have the perfect height for standing like that :) Posing!
Nice one!
This page isn’t linked from the previous page, btw.
Nonsense.
Alright, some heads bashed in, Byron’s philosophy revealed. What was Gravedust’s tone when he asked, “You believe your species lives to /valuable/?” Sarcastic? Curious?
And just what the hell is “Ontology”?
Ontology is a term used in philosophy to refer to the study of being, of how things exist. Syr’nj is referring to the problem of how exactly that big guard guy exists, whether as a human or an ogre. Or a celestial body.
A more interesting question is whether Payet and Syr’nj share the same ontology or not. Are they both elves in the same way?
Seems more like a problem of taxonomy to me, since ontology is usually more a question of whether categories exist (and if so what kind) and less about which category a particular thing falls into. But hey, it was fun dialogue either way.
Well, Syr’nj is a wood elf, and appears to actually be made out of plant tissue, judging by the way she speaks.
Payet, on the other hand, is a Shit Elf, so it’s logical that he would be made of…
Wait…
Wait a second there…
THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.
Perhaps they are called that because they are best at turning food into shit.
I know a few humans like that too.
Oh, it makes me feel sad that the slightly philosophical humour is under-appreciated here.
Given that Wood Elves are actual plants, and that other elves seem to be animal in nature, I doubt that they are related, unless the wood elve3s either changed themselves or were changed by their gods at some point in their history. I suspect that elf in this language just means pointy-eared, the same way dwarf just means short. I love having a player with a dwarf character come to the realization that humans are all mocking his height by calling him a dwarf, when he thought it was like Amercians calling those of Nippon Japanese, just a corruption of translation.
Pirates in a shaft eh? I can dig it.
just a side note, what would shit elf do if he found the crossroads, and mr. I’ll tune your guitiar?
Play Tribute.
Pirates in a mineshaft, this from the minds who gave us demonic vampire elves. More on the topic of the comic, I love how the sound effects are weapons in and of themselves.
could the alt text be a reference to the temple in Gemmel’s White Wolf?
“I couldn’t find ye a parrot cap’n – all they got was these.”
“Canaries? Ye plundered us a hundred canaries? What can we do with a hundred canaries?”
“We could be plunderin that mine over there cap’n.”
A merciful Berserker and a Pwn happy Crusaders, great mix.
The guard’s name is Pluto. He used to be a planet, but he got himself demoted.
ROFL! I have been greatly enjoying today’s discussions. This is the first comic I’ve started reading at the begining and it is fun to see how the comments section grows as more people discover it! As a wow player, I am NOT looking forward to Cataclysm, since I still haven’t “caught up” in wrath. My DK is still only 76! Before you call me a slacker, consider I have just graduated college, have two kids, and a full time job that is sometimes an over time job. :-P
How can you let college, children, and a job get in the way of raiding?
Seriously, the more Byron talks, the more he becomes my favorite character. Best and Frigg can jump off a cliff for all I care, but Byron roxxor.
If Frig tries to bash that guy, he’ll think it’s a come on.
Frig might think so too. . . They might get along those two. . .
I got to say, Frig is *tough*. Nothing unusual for a setting like this, but swinging that mace while in plate mail, with what looks like a tower shield on her back? All while carrying on a conversation? That’s even more impressive to me than bending the bars (: She’s not just strong, she has endurance (constitution?).
Wait. The flashforward starting chapter 2:
Byron: “Dusty says there’s five cultists inside…”
Frigg: “Oh, NICE! Wait, who’re YOU fighting?”
I assumed she meant, “five for me, because I’m dope.” And she probably meant that, but now it seems it was also “five for me, because you won’t kill your own kind.” And he didn’t have his axes out in the ensuing fight, which I never really thought about.
Not that I’m surprised that all the details are planned out or nothin’.
All I can say is: Nifty.
No really, thats it! What, dont believe me? Dont give me that look!
(Great work as always, its a joy to see updates)
I’ve been reading this comic since around the third week, so obviously, I think it’s very well done. I have to say though, so far, Byron is one lousy berserker. Don’t get me wrong–he’s a great character, just not a berserker. If he calmly narrates and makes horrible puns while fighting kobolds, contributes strategy but little actual damage against other monsters, and has to be careful and not kill anyone when fighting humans, when DOES he ‘zerk out?
Just because you have an ability it doesn’t mean that you have to use it for every tiny little thing.
I don’t know much about berserkers, but it don’t think it is something you can just turn off and on. Going berserk means going into a blind rage and losing control, it looks more like a mental illness then an abillity.
Byron seems to be the down and out strategist for the group as well, and foaming at the mouth doesn’t leave room for much strategy. Each situation we’ve seen Byron in has been about him maintaining control off the situation as well, like Paul said the moment he berserks is the moment he’s lost control. ;) so be patient at wait for that wonderful little apex like the rest of us.
A GOOD berserker knows how to turn it on and off. The idea behind that fighting style is that they harness their rage and use it to kick ass. They wouldn’t be very useful if they couldn’t control it.
The thing about a berserker, in my opinion, is that the ability only activates after enough damge, physically or emotionally, is dealt that they ‘zerk out.
Y’know… I used to play the Baldur’s Gate games a lot… and not once did I ever have Minsc go berserk outside of scripted events (where he had to).
It just isn’t necessary.
…On kobolds, apparently.
It seems to have sailed right by everyone that this is a fantasy RPG setting where they know what planets are, AND THAT IS IMPORTANT WORLD-BUILDING, PEOPLE.
This reminds of the time I and my friends were playing a D&D campaign that our GM had made. We were exploring an ‘abandoned’ fortress. Abandoned as in: Full to the brim of Kobolts, goblins, traps and an Ogre.
Unfortunately for us the first time we saw the ogre it was sleeping so we decided to let our rouge try to sneak attack her. He was successful, though sadly not successful enough. He hit the ogre in the eye doing a good amount of damage, too bad for him she awoke from that, with us just outside the room.
The Ogre starts screaming from pain, but it was a weird sort of screaming, not that our rouge could care, seeing as he was being squished like a small tube in her arms. But what the rest of us heard was, “Who dares! Who dares wake a lady like me up in such a rude manner! I am a lady ye know! A lady!”
We managed to calm her down and give us back our half-squished rouge back after we healed her eyed.
What we learned from this was that never ever sneak attack a sleeping ogre, and most of all. Never attack a lady, especially when she is 3-4 meters tall and has muscles bigger than your head.
Looks more like a half giant maybe.