your comments continues to be lost amidst the notable, salient and downright weird monikers we have here at GA. You sir, are still in need of a gravatar. *best gladiator impression* ARE YOU NOT ANNOYED ?!” (by my persistence).
There are minor differences, but I was afraid that the comic would get stuck on a months long hiatus while they sought a new author or that I would hate the new art. This art retains what I loved about the comic from the beginning.
Especially their females. Always be certin to keep a firm grip upon your trousers/hosen/kilt when spending the night with their brazen… Um, I’ll be in my bunk.
Yes Savasi, whenever you’re driven from your home you should totally just accept it and piously forgive your persecutors. ‘Cause you see, it’s you who are evil for fighting for what it yours while those who took it from you suffer significantly less of a moral burden ’cause it’s just easier that way. In fact, the racists in question have hired me to convince you to just give up, accept your losses and take it up the ass as far as she’ll go. It’s how democracies are born! But don’t worry, they’ll be a documentary about all this one day so we can all shake our heads at the injustice while saying how it’s too late to do anything about it now.
I understand this point of view, but I think Gravedust’s position is more nuanced. He seems to be saying more “let’s look at the here and now, and the practical things that make our lives better”, than “let’s accept everything that has happened”. More pragmatic on the present and what the people need, less focused on an ideal of return that seems (from what little we know of this world) to be unlikely.
To make a parallel with the real world, it’s like American Indian tribes making pragmatic decisions that will benefit their tribes, instead of insisting on the rightful, but unlikely, return of land to their control.
Wasn’t Gravedust hoping for Savasi reparations? Which implies (or maybe I’m confused) someone giving something back to the Savasi – land, presumably.
But it sounds to me that Mister Beardless is really just a war monger, maybe even a profiteer; certainly he’s not that interested in winning, if he’s shutting out the mystics.
Doesn’t make sense to get rid of your potential archery squads full of dudes who can shoot *magical ass kicking arrows*. Just saying.
It does sound more like a meddling class of know-it-alls who sit around tokin’ powdered mushrooms instead of BUILDING A GLORIOUS SAVAASI EMPIRE OF BLOOD AND JUSTICE.
In most settings, dwarves are nearly as long-lived as elves. If GA is anything like that, the Savasi could have been driven from the mountains 200 or 300 years ago and even the young dwarves would remember it.
Six lives of men could have passed since then. Either way, it’s safe to assume that it didn’t happen last week. Instead of actually claiming the desert that’ve moved to, they’re still living in tents and paying extravagant prices for dye to remind them that their race once lived in mountains. I think Gavedust is more suggesting that refusal to advance as a society will not HELP the cause; living in tents in the wilderness won’t make the Savasi any stronger when it comes to getting back what’s theirs.
That’s not what Gravedust is saying at all. Righteously suiciding his people in an ugly war MAY get their lands back, but that’ll just piss off the people currently living there. “We were here first” isn’t going to sound very convincing to the families of dead Gastonian soldiers. There’s also the perfectly valid chance that they lose the war and end up with even crappier lives. Warfare is notoriously indifferent to social justice.
Violence isn’t the only way to fight. Iver should be more concerned about the Savasi’s future.
Seems like the dwarves are a pretty martial people. Maybe they weren’t the original deed-holders to the mountains, either. Which might make you think about who might be sharing the desert with the Savasi – if the dwarves were merciful enough not to exterminate them.
really? because it bugs me whenever i see it…and not just because i know about it.
when we make the jump in panel 3, i have to completely reassess the space. it feels like the room is turning. and doesn’t the flipped version flow better?
the rule is based on the idea that an individual has one perspective- when you’re observing people talking, it’s from one point…you don’t circle around a conversation like some kind of social vulture.
i dunno. it’s a composition thing, and i’ve never been that good with composition, but this page jilted me.
For what it’s worth, panel 3 feels right just as it is to me. What applies in films may not always apply in comics, and vice versa.
Panel 3 would probably look less dynamic if it was similar to panel 1. And then there’s the left-to-right reading direction… it makes more visual sense to start with whoever speaks first: Gravedust in panel 1, and Iver in panel 3.
I’m just sayin’!
I didn’t notice it as anything jarring, just as a camera cut for the most dramatic view of the proceeding, to add weight to Ivar’s words. Maybe its from watching NCIS for years (there is a production rule that no shot lasts more that 10 seconds without a cut, with very rare exceptions) but the conversation would have felt statis and had less impact without the change.
Not for nothing, I appreciated the visual indicator we get by voluntarily breaking the 180 degree rule when Iver “turns the tables” on the conversation.
i dunno phil. it just feels like a jolt to me. breaks immersion. i get what you’re saying about the turning the tables- maybe if the identical curtains didn’t make it look so much like we’d flipped the view.
i don’t mean to be ‘that guy’, it just jumped out at me.
…I wouldn’t have noticed if you hadn’t said anything. But then, I am incredibly short onthat whole…you know, ‘attention span’ thing and tend to look things over quickly the first few times.
*phew* I thought he’d never leave. I can feel the warmth seeping back already….
Props on the art John, I’m loving your treatment of the characters and the world.
Takes a real cool head to find wisdom in racism, and I love Gravedust’s expression when he’s doing it. A dwarf so damn beaten and tired trying to do right by his people, that he has to resort to words from those that put them where they are in the first place.
Mine haven’t melted. I still have a restaurant reservation with John and he better fucking be there. The last guy who stood me up ended up hanging from a lamp post.
Realize I’m a bit late but it really just made me laugh how the metaphor went. I was half expecting some random dwarf to cup his hands and yell excitedly through the camp: “Carving Fight!”
So, what’s the beef against the mystics, dude? Also, Phil, I’m calling in personal bias on this. You made the villain lacking a beard. Some of us who are beard-impaired might be hurt by the message that all beardless men are evil. I SEE YOUR CONSPIRACY AND LIES.
Also, now Iver is reminding me of a Oompah Loompah. I know it’s just the candle light on his face, but I can’t stop laughing. I mean, I’m envisioning him breaking into song while he screws poor Gravedust over.
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Uh oh.
Looks like Byron may have been right when he said “Never ask that” to Bandit’s “How could he be gettin’ it worse?”
That second panel is just beautiful.
Very emotive, very well done.
Thank you.
I’m quite proud of that one m’self.
your comments continues to be lost amidst the notable, salient and downright weird monikers we have here at GA. You sir, are still in need of a gravatar. *best gladiator impression* ARE YOU NOT ANNOYED ?!” (by my persistence).
*continue*… stupid plural.
Well, then, if you’re all getting to love the new artist’s style, say AYE.
AYE. :3
Aye!
Aye-aye!
I see your Aye-aye, and raise you an Aye and an ear!
Aye aye, sir.
are there seaman who are *not* frenchable?
What, there’s a new artist? ;-)
(I can hardly tell because of the textures that were deemed a signature of GA. So: AYE!)
Aye.
There are minor differences, but I was afraid that the comic would get stuck on a months long hiatus while they sought a new author or that I would hate the new art. This art retains what I loved about the comic from the beginning.
Thank you all very much.
One nay because the artist doesn’t have his own wacky avatar.
Oh who am I kidding? Aye.
Woo! Looking good!
Those…eyebrows…
what about…eyebrows?
What about the eyes?
You just know that Iver is an antagonist to our heroes; he is missing the great Dwarven Beard of Manliness and Beer.
Gravedust’s going to be thinking “Hmm, I thought I smelled sand weasel.” soon
Quick, Gravedust! Do the Thing! ;)
Which thing? Kill everyone? Or tell bad jokes?
Gravedust = Boneclaw Mother?
Squee! Digger/GA crossover! :P
Good Call!
I’m pretty sure that such a crossover would be made of concentrated awesome. Digger would make an AMAZING replacement for Payet Worst.
Cheers,
Cote
Do the Thing! On the Wooden Statue!
Never trust a dwarf without a beard.
Especially their females. Always be certin to keep a firm grip upon your trousers/hosen/kilt when spending the night with their brazen… Um, I’ll be in my bunk.
Best comic ever, am I right or am I right?
You are so right.
Not that you’re biased. Only from the inside can you see the true beauty, the nigh-Platonic purity of comicness that is GA.
More debauchery, plz.
Yes Savasi, whenever you’re driven from your home you should totally just accept it and piously forgive your persecutors. ‘Cause you see, it’s you who are evil for fighting for what it yours while those who took it from you suffer significantly less of a moral burden ’cause it’s just easier that way. In fact, the racists in question have hired me to convince you to just give up, accept your losses and take it up the ass as far as she’ll go. It’s how democracies are born! But don’t worry, they’ll be a documentary about all this one day so we can all shake our heads at the injustice while saying how it’s too late to do anything about it now.
A bit o’ irony, huh ?
Is Iver going to fight Gravedust, then ?
Boom, headshot.
I understand this point of view, but I think Gravedust’s position is more nuanced. He seems to be saying more “let’s look at the here and now, and the practical things that make our lives better”, than “let’s accept everything that has happened”. More pragmatic on the present and what the people need, less focused on an ideal of return that seems (from what little we know of this world) to be unlikely.
To make a parallel with the real world, it’s like American Indian tribes making pragmatic decisions that will benefit their tribes, instead of insisting on the rightful, but unlikely, return of land to their control.
Wasn’t Gravedust hoping for Savasi reparations? Which implies (or maybe I’m confused) someone giving something back to the Savasi – land, presumably.
But it sounds to me that Mister Beardless is really just a war monger, maybe even a profiteer; certainly he’s not that interested in winning, if he’s shutting out the mystics.
Doesn’t make sense to get rid of your potential archery squads full of dudes who can shoot *magical ass kicking arrows*. Just saying.
I didn’t think ‘mystics’ necessarily meant the guys who do that thing that Gravedust does. It sounded to me like it’s something else.
It does sound more like a meddling class of know-it-alls who sit around tokin’ powdered mushrooms instead of BUILDING A GLORIOUS SAVAASI EMPIRE OF BLOOD AND JUSTICE.
Totally.
In most settings, dwarves are nearly as long-lived as elves. If GA is anything like that, the Savasi could have been driven from the mountains 200 or 300 years ago and even the young dwarves would remember it.
Six lives of men could have passed since then. Either way, it’s safe to assume that it didn’t happen last week. Instead of actually claiming the desert that’ve moved to, they’re still living in tents and paying extravagant prices for dye to remind them that their race once lived in mountains. I think Gavedust is more suggesting that refusal to advance as a society will not HELP the cause; living in tents in the wilderness won’t make the Savasi any stronger when it comes to getting back what’s theirs.
That’s not what Gravedust is saying at all. Righteously suiciding his people in an ugly war MAY get their lands back, but that’ll just piss off the people currently living there. “We were here first” isn’t going to sound very convincing to the families of dead Gastonian soldiers. There’s also the perfectly valid chance that they lose the war and end up with even crappier lives. Warfare is notoriously indifferent to social justice.
Violence isn’t the only way to fight. Iver should be more concerned about the Savasi’s future.
Seems like the dwarves are a pretty martial people. Maybe they weren’t the original deed-holders to the mountains, either. Which might make you think about who might be sharing the desert with the Savasi – if the dwarves were merciful enough not to exterminate them.
I thought Gravedust was a cynic. Yet somehow he spun a grain of wisdom out of a racist statement.
I spotted the treasure chest.
Never trust a dwarf who shaves.
Uh oh, he’s in trouble now.
yo john. i think you might have broken the 180 rule here. art is great, but the shot angles feel a little disjointed.
Just following the script, Dojang.:
Panel 1- “We see over Gravedust’s shoulder.”
Panel 2- ” Close on Gravedust.”
Panel 3- “Iver looks serious… Gravedust takes a drink from his wine.”
not what i meant…it’s hard to explain…uh, i knocked up an edited version- hope you don’t mind.
http://dojang.deviantart.com/art/180RULE-189137282
now gravedust stays on his side of the camera. (the tent flap panel flip was optional, but i thought it fit)
I do not believe, and never have, that that rule applies to comics.
really? because it bugs me whenever i see it…and not just because i know about it.
when we make the jump in panel 3, i have to completely reassess the space. it feels like the room is turning. and doesn’t the flipped version flow better?
the rule is based on the idea that an individual has one perspective- when you’re observing people talking, it’s from one point…you don’t circle around a conversation like some kind of social vulture.
i dunno. it’s a composition thing, and i’ve never been that good with composition, but this page jilted me.
For what it’s worth, panel 3 feels right just as it is to me. What applies in films may not always apply in comics, and vice versa.
Panel 3 would probably look less dynamic if it was similar to panel 1. And then there’s the left-to-right reading direction… it makes more visual sense to start with whoever speaks first: Gravedust in panel 1, and Iver in panel 3.
I’m just sayin’!
I didn’t notice it as anything jarring, just as a camera cut for the most dramatic view of the proceeding, to add weight to Ivar’s words. Maybe its from watching NCIS for years (there is a production rule that no shot lasts more that 10 seconds without a cut, with very rare exceptions) but the conversation would have felt statis and had less impact without the change.
Not for nothing, I appreciated the visual indicator we get by voluntarily breaking the 180 degree rule when Iver “turns the tables” on the conversation.
But that’s me.
i dunno phil. it just feels like a jolt to me. breaks immersion. i get what you’re saying about the turning the tables- maybe if the identical curtains didn’t make it look so much like we’d flipped the view.
i don’t mean to be ‘that guy’, it just jumped out at me.
I quite like getting to see more of these fantastically detailed backgrounds.
…I wouldn’t have noticed if you hadn’t said anything. But then, I am incredibly short onthat whole…you know, ‘attention span’ thing and tend to look things over quickly the first few times.
heh, heh, you said ‘knocked up”, heh, hehheh
Art is unacceptably bad. I’m done reading this comic.
Thanks for the time you’ve given us so far! We hope you come back!
I bet Phil is secretly hoping this person doesn’t come back. :P It’s just a hunch though, call it captain’s intuition.
Not really! I stand nothing to gain by this guy not reading the comic.
I should’ve known. Never let sentiment get in the way of personal interest.
There is a joke there… I’m just not sure if it is the post or the poster.
*phew* I thought he’d never leave. I can feel the warmth seeping back already….
Props on the art John, I’m loving your treatment of the characters and the world.
Telling racist jokes about dwarves is as ill advised as pulling on their beards. Or stealing their gold mines.
Takes a real cool head to find wisdom in racism, and I love Gravedust’s expression when he’s doing it. A dwarf so damn beaten and tired trying to do right by his people, that he has to resort to words from those that put them where they are in the first place.
Amazing artwork here on GA. Loving the story, can’t wait to see where it goes.
BE CAREFUL OF THE WORD MAGIC!!
The art has drastically improved in only 3 pages. All my reservations about John have melted away. Keep up the fantastic work.
Mine haven’t melted. I still have a restaurant reservation with John and he better fucking be there. The last guy who stood me up ended up hanging from a lamp post.
Thank you, Kayosiv. Wait’ll you see monday’s page.
You guess wrong. I poisoned both cups.
Inconceivable!
I like how Iver looked like a used car salesman in the previous strip but now he’s super cereal.
Realize I’m a bit late but it really just made me laugh how the metaphor went. I was half expecting some random dwarf to cup his hands and yell excitedly through the camp: “Carving Fight!”
So, what’s the beef against the mystics, dude? Also, Phil, I’m calling in personal bias on this. You made the villain lacking a beard. Some of us who are beard-impaired might be hurt by the message that all beardless men are evil. I SEE YOUR CONSPIRACY AND LIES.
Also, now Iver is reminding me of a Oompah Loompah. I know it’s just the candle light on his face, but I can’t stop laughing. I mean, I’m envisioning him breaking into song while he screws poor Gravedust over.