Umm . . .
I believe that you just used that term yourself . . .
Even if it was in quotation marks . . . I’m afuraid you lose furever by default.
. . . it’s an unspoken rule fur a reason, ya know? : o
Yes I see what you did there.
You bisected two kobolds with your axes, each of which does indeed have an edge… because that is the part that makes them effective.
What you did there besides bisecting kobolds was make a statement that was both true and obvious about axes.
For the record, obvious statements are not the same as puns. Referring to axes as edgy, fire as hot, water as wet, etc… does not qualify as punning, no matter how often said terms are used non-literally in other contexts. They don’t loop back and become clever, they just backspace and become literal.
considering a pun is just playing around with the multiple meanings of a word/phrase, saying that “axes have an edge” would actually be a pun technically, even if you want to go through every page with a pun and claim that it’s not.
They’re hardly “multiple meanings”.
One is derivative of the other.
The very concept of “having an edge” comes from precisely this sort of situation in the first place.
It isn’t a pun. It is a rather old turn of phrase being used in exactly the same context for which it was originally intended.
1. – the humorous use of a word or phrase so as to emphasize or suggest its different meanings or applications, or the use of words that are alike or nearly alike in sound but different in meaning; a play on words.
The sharpened side of the blade of a cutting implement or weapon.
Second more subtle (not by much due to constant use) meaning:
To have an advantage (over someone or something else)
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And the second meaning probably comes from the idea of a measurement based on the width of the original cutting edge (to edge forward means to creep forward slowly in small increments) rather than specifically the cutting edge itself. The two ideas have evolved apart enough to be considered separate meanings no matter their related origins.
So again it is more of a double entendre than one of the common types of pun. So everybody in this thread of comments and the author above is probably wrong in some technical sense based on the old understandings but the age of the internet seems to be an age where dictionaries change on the will of the mob at the drop of a hat so if everybody (not just the readers but the favored writers of our age apparently [looking at you Phil]) believes a double entendre and a pun are the same thing then very soon now it will be. It wouldn’t surprise me if there aren’t some online dictionaries to support this already.
Yet another reason why it is increasingly pointless to argue the meanings of words once enough people AND the author weighs in. Cause if the mob is not technically right today then they will be a few weeks or months from now. (then multiply that by how many english speaking countries are now all in the mix together cause: internet… ) But I grew up with an ancient granny who would only use a dictionary half as old as she was when I was a kid, a long time back, so I understand the pain of not wanting to tolerate languages shifting at rates faster than they ever did before. But this once you can take solace in the fact that you are not only wrong by current understanding of the word but by the old understanding as well. (though your original statement that it wasn’t a pun has partial merit though not for the reasons you state) And hey everybody else including the author is wrong too, by old definitions anyway, so you are in good company. ;)
This isn’t so long cause I am picking on you by the way. (or not just because… I mean I’m only human. *shrugs* ^_^’ ) Its so long cause 1) I write too much. (don’t have the true author’s knack of getting the same meaning across with minimal words) and 2) You REALLY seem to care about this subject. Even if you are mostly messing with folk for kicks I get the vibe that you care at least a little about what a pun really is and what it isn’t.
I am re-reading this whole comic…’cuz it is totally worth it…and I find out that Byron started the pun battles? I didn’t think it could get any more meta than it already is, but I’m glad the peanut gallery ran with the concept. It is one of the reasons I actually read the comments on this site.
That said, I think SotiCoto is really splitting hairs here, but maybe he’s just trying to be edgy.
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I just noticed that he seems to have named one of his axes after his brain.
Oh no, they are named after two entirely different things
*groan* Two puns in the span of two panels. Who could axe for any more pun-ishment?
I see what you did there ;) and i approve of it! ^^
sir that just wasn’t even punny
Official rules of the pun game : If you use the term “pun-ishment”, you lose the pun game forever.
… FOREVER.
Seriously. It is THE lowest pun. The lowest.
Umm . . .
I believe that you just used that term yourself . . .
Even if it was in quotation marks . . . I’m afuraid you lose furever by default.
. . . it’s an unspoken rule fur a reason, ya know? : o
Can’t be. It counters the spoken rule that discussing something is not the same as using it.
You don’t lose, just gotta spend a round in the punalty box.
And so the punning that plagues this comic begins.
Ah, yes, the station of origin for the comments pun train. Been a long time since I visited. :-)
So here is where it all began…
Let the third annual Pungeon Master convention commence!
Heehee //w//
The Third Annual Pungeon Master Punvention
Yes I see what you did there.
You bisected two kobolds with your axes, each of which does indeed have an edge… because that is the part that makes them effective.
What you did there besides bisecting kobolds was make a statement that was both true and obvious about axes.
For the record, obvious statements are not the same as puns. Referring to axes as edgy, fire as hot, water as wet, etc… does not qualify as punning, no matter how often said terms are used non-literally in other contexts. They don’t loop back and become clever, they just backspace and become literal.
considering a pun is just playing around with the multiple meanings of a word/phrase, saying that “axes have an edge” would actually be a pun technically, even if you want to go through every page with a pun and claim that it’s not.
They’re hardly “multiple meanings”.
One is derivative of the other.
The very concept of “having an edge” comes from precisely this sort of situation in the first place.
It isn’t a pun. It is a rather old turn of phrase being used in exactly the same context for which it was originally intended.
Pun
noun
1. – the humorous use of a word or phrase so as to emphasize or suggest its different meanings or applications, or the use of words that are alike or nearly alike in sound but different in meaning; a play on words.
2. – the word or phrase used in this way.
In case anyone feels the need to work with this.
Umm —
I liked, how he used the words, and it was funny! : o
(#punny Byron)
Exactly my point. They weren’t different meanings. They were the same meaning.
First straightforward meaning:
The sharpened side of the blade of a cutting implement or weapon.
Second more subtle (not by much due to constant use) meaning:
To have an advantage (over someone or something else)
________________________________
And the second meaning probably comes from the idea of a measurement based on the width of the original cutting edge (to edge forward means to creep forward slowly in small increments) rather than specifically the cutting edge itself. The two ideas have evolved apart enough to be considered separate meanings no matter their related origins.
So again it is more of a double entendre than one of the common types of pun. So everybody in this thread of comments and the author above is probably wrong in some technical sense based on the old understandings but the age of the internet seems to be an age where dictionaries change on the will of the mob at the drop of a hat so if everybody (not just the readers but the favored writers of our age apparently [looking at you Phil]) believes a double entendre and a pun are the same thing then very soon now it will be. It wouldn’t surprise me if there aren’t some online dictionaries to support this already.
Yet another reason why it is increasingly pointless to argue the meanings of words once enough people AND the author weighs in. Cause if the mob is not technically right today then they will be a few weeks or months from now. (then multiply that by how many english speaking countries are now all in the mix together cause: internet… ) But I grew up with an ancient granny who would only use a dictionary half as old as she was when I was a kid, a long time back, so I understand the pain of not wanting to tolerate languages shifting at rates faster than they ever did before. But this once you can take solace in the fact that you are not only wrong by current understanding of the word but by the old understanding as well. (though your original statement that it wasn’t a pun has partial merit though not for the reasons you state) And hey everybody else including the author is wrong too, by old definitions anyway, so you are in good company. ;)
This isn’t so long cause I am picking on you by the way. (or not just because… I mean I’m only human. *shrugs* ^_^’ ) Its so long cause 1) I write too much. (don’t have the true author’s knack of getting the same meaning across with minimal words) and 2) You REALLY seem to care about this subject. Even if you are mostly messing with folk for kicks I get the vibe that you care at least a little about what a pun really is and what it isn’t.
The person cares probably in the same way that anyone who keeps pointing out that Alanis Morissette’s “Ironic” isn’t.
And the same way *I* care about “your/you’re”, ‘its/it’s” and “The rouge stole the gem!”
I see the love for puns in this comic starts all the way back at page #12! God damn i love reading the comments section because of this
I am re-reading this whole comic…’cuz it is totally worth it…and I find out that Byron started the pun battles? I didn’t think it could get any more meta than it already is, but I’m glad the peanut gallery ran with the concept. It is one of the reasons I actually read the comments on this site.
That said, I think SotiCoto is really splitting hairs here, but maybe he’s just trying to be edgy.
You know what’s good to use fur splitting hairs?
Axes. : 3
Poor kobolds
Having insane inner monologues like a true sociopath …i like this guy already! ^^