So we have the courage wolf in this universe as a deity. Imagine what havoc the lolcat or the socially awkward penguin could wrought on the world if left unchecked or left without sacrifices!
There is some dispute as to whether it’s Courage Wolf or Insanity Wolf. With Frigg, either is possible, but there seems to be a general majority supporting Insanity Wolf.
After all, it’s a fine line between bravery and insanity.
Actually, probably shouldn’t, but you asked for it.
The short of it is a Japanese cartooning caricature-stereotype of people acting like little children who have issues expressing affection… up to ereven.
Yes but Tsundere is the specific trope involving the character being angry one minute and bashful the next (exaggerated somewhat, not literally alternating every single minute.) There’s like, tons of different off-shoots of the “dere” so you gotta be specific, man. B)
It’s just plain bad/hack writing most times it’s used and if you cut out all those examples you’re left with so few occurrences you don’t need to have subtype identifiers.
So no, no I should not be specific.
No, yandere is actually quite common in romantic, farcical, half-farced, and situational comedies. And tsundere, if used with some subtlety rather than exaggeration, is also a very effective means of demonstrating multiple levels of personality, inner conflict, and so on. Or, if the exaggeration is sufficiently over-the-top, it can also be a very effective comedic technique.
I acknowledge that many of the examples of -dere are bad writing. For this, I cite Sturgeon’s Law. Many, and arguably most, examples of just about everything are bad writing. That does not negate the validity of the trope.
I always find myself annoyed with that one. After all if they are going to be psychotic they should be LOVINGLY psychotic and murderous.
Nothing says deadly like a kind smile and a sharp knife.
Sounds like you’re mixing up Yandere and Yangire.
The former is “loving” in an insane way, while the latter zig-zags between being nice and being psycho.
Eh, maybe. Maybe it she was trying to be insulting by shortening her name, rather than affectionate. Like a little slur? “I can’t be even bothered to say your whole name?” Not sure I believe this, only sayin’ maybe.
Or, to extend the insult, some people use the preferred endearment to mock the closeness/friendship claimed by the other (thereby rejecting said friendship).
Uhhh… does that make sense? I think I’ll leave it alone and hope it does… :S
There’s an English tale about a woman who was accused to being a witch. They threw into the river, but she floated, so they tried to burn her at the stake, but couldn’t. She was all wet.
Again, bad dialogue. Not trying to be a troll here, and I realize I’m not doing a good job as a critic, but I still am kinda bothered by Frigg’s dialogue especially. E-merl’s lines are kinda funny though, so good job with that.
Anyway, Marbles;
The dialogue seems pretty ok to me. I think we, as a media-raised culture are so accustomed to snappy dialogue (pre-filtered, edited conversation), that we don’t actually hear real conversation anymore. That is to say, if you were to transcribe an actual conversation between friends, even the people who had that conversation would read it and think “Wow. This is really stilted dialogue. How can anyone think this is remotely intersting?” However, during the conversation, people feed off/read each other’s energies and fill in the gaps that words convey. This also happens on the phone, so it’s not necessarily body language.
Now… food for thought; Because we humans are able to read these energies during conversation, I theorise that we posess latent telepathic abilities. Those who feel uncomfortable on the phone, or who do not pick up on conversational subtleties (assuming average-to-high intellect) lack these abilities to a certain extent.
While the “make your own webcomic” link was funny, it doesn’t actually constitute an articulate response to my comment.
I would LOVE to make my own webcomic. Actually, it’s something of a dream of mine. The only problem is, I have very little artistic talent, nor do I really have the time to devote to putting out a webcomic on a regular schedule. (Which is one of the things that makes a good comic; a steady update schedule. This is one of GA’s strong suits. I might not always LIKE the new comic, but at least it’s there.)
As for the body language affecting our impression of dialogue thing, I agree with you. However, I know that the GA creative team is capable of putting out good, snappy dialogue. Heck, E-merl’s last few lines struck me as pretty funny. It’s just, to me, Frigg’s dialogue always seems like a disconnect. Perhaps this is intentional, who can say? (Phil can say.)
No, no, E-Merle is following the classic path of “when in a hole, keep digging.” I believe the logic is that eventually you will reach China and escape.
I think it’s when it’s less of an actual “routine” and more of “trying really really hard and failing”. Personally, earnest idiocy can be endearing if it’s not an act to get in one’s pants.
“Bumbling Idiot” is only appreciated by girls who already kinda like said idiot. If he bumbles, it means it’s mutual. She reacts (“OMG! I dint kno he likes me2! Yay! I now confident & superior! Mitey Grrl Finds Bumbling Idiot Endearing”), puts a move on him and both are boosted in their self-esteem. No more bumbling, now all suave and rife with PDAs. The couple becomes annoying.
I love, love, LOVE the trees in the background in panel one!
I like going for walks in the woods & ravines in my city (yep! My city gots actual woodland all over!), and to see you capture the character of the woods so beautifully is a real treat! I can almost smell the delicious leafiness! I’m guessing you also spend time in actual nature…?
Seriously; big, fangirl hugs! (Don’t worry, I use soap..)
So we have the courage wolf in this universe as a deity. Imagine what havoc the lolcat or the socially awkward penguin could wrought on the world if left unchecked or left without sacrifices!
Quick people, feed them puns!
I thought E-merl WAS the Socially Awkward Penguin in this case.
He does remind me a bit of Gotham’s Oswald Cobblepot.
There is some dispute as to whether it’s Courage Wolf or Insanity Wolf. With Frigg, either is possible, but there seems to be a general majority supporting Insanity Wolf.
After all, it’s a fine line between bravery and insanity.
Why not both? having Frigg with the favor of a diety of courage and insanity is pretty much fucking perfect.
Insane Courage Wolf!
It’s neither. It is Bad Ass Mojo Wolf.
How about just “THE ALPHA BITCH”?
Totally supporting this ^ choice.
Don’t see how it could really be anything else.
Aww… E-Merl. You can use that fancy fireworks spell as a distraction, and then hide until the embarrassment goes away.
I guess it’s not just Frigg’s hands that are shiny.
Oh frigg, you so tsundere.
You’re going to have to explain that to me.
Actually, probably shouldn’t, but you asked for it.
The short of it is a Japanese cartooning caricature-stereotype of people acting like little children who have issues expressing affection… up to ereven.
“I–It’s… It’s not like I like you or anything, BAKA.”
Isn’t it bakka?
I thought it was dakka.
No, a dakka is someone who loads ships.
No, that’s a docker.
Dakka is a french expression meaning “I agree.”
No, that’s d’accord
Dakka is what you need more of.
Tsundere with more dakka. Isn’t that yandere?
No, it’s one k.
Bakka is someone who supports your investment.
No, that’s okha
Yes but Tsundere is the specific trope involving the character being angry one minute and bashful the next (exaggerated somewhat, not literally alternating every single minute.) There’s like, tons of different off-shoots of the “dere” so you gotta be specific, man. B)
It’s used by people who think they’re Japanese.
Some people just kind of act like that though. Mostly heavily bipolar people I would think.
(I have two good bipolar friends not pulling things out of my ass, consistently is not a thing one often finds from someone who is bipolar)
It’s just plain bad/hack writing most times it’s used and if you cut out all those examples you’re left with so few occurrences you don’t need to have subtype identifiers.
So no, no I should not be specific.
No, yandere is actually quite common in romantic, farcical, half-farced, and situational comedies. And tsundere, if used with some subtlety rather than exaggeration, is also a very effective means of demonstrating multiple levels of personality, inner conflict, and so on. Or, if the exaggeration is sufficiently over-the-top, it can also be a very effective comedic technique.
I acknowledge that many of the examples of -dere are bad writing. For this, I cite Sturgeon’s Law. Many, and arguably most, examples of just about everything are bad writing. That does not negate the validity of the trope.
Actually I see yandere more in horror anime. Sweet and loving to psychotic and murderous in one instant.
I always find myself annoyed with that one. After all if they are going to be psychotic they should be LOVINGLY psychotic and murderous.
Nothing says deadly like a kind smile and a sharp knife.
Sounds like you’re mixing up Yandere and Yangire.
The former is “loving” in an insane way, while the latter zig-zags between being nice and being psycho.
E-Merl is weak. SUPLEX HIM.
USE A POKEBALL! :3
Oh E-Merl, you’re so adorkable *w*
He’s tall, dork, and handsome.
If he decides to switch job classes, he’d make a fairly decent Dork Knight.
I’m sure he would soon be known as the Lord of Dorkness.
He’s that nice guy nextdork
Heh. Frigg would have been so much more believable in that mini-rant if only she hadn’t called Rachel ‘Rach.’
Eh, maybe. Maybe it she was trying to be insulting by shortening her name, rather than affectionate. Like a little slur? “I can’t be even bothered to say your whole name?” Not sure I believe this, only sayin’ maybe.
Or, to extend the insult, some people use the preferred endearment to mock the closeness/friendship claimed by the other (thereby rejecting said friendship).
Uhhh… does that make sense? I think I’ll leave it alone and hope it does… :S
So… Rachel is a werewolf?
Ok, “Rach” is a cultist or some such shit (sss) and needs to die and should it turn out she was innocent all along, well, c’est la vie.
Throw her in the pond and if she drowns she’s innocent?
There’s an English tale about a woman who was accused to being a witch. They threw into the river, but she floated, so they tried to burn her at the stake, but couldn’t. She was all wet.
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
Explain again how sheep’s bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Only after I explain how we know the world to be banana-shaped.
Indeed, ’tis a marvelous proof. Even better than physics now having conclusively proven that the past, present, and future all do not exist.
Again, bad dialogue. Not trying to be a troll here, and I realize I’m not doing a good job as a critic, but I still am kinda bothered by Frigg’s dialogue especially. E-merl’s lines are kinda funny though, so good job with that.
Brings this to mind: http://bit.ly/Mm2TmU
I clicked the link but I still don’t have my own web comic, what gives? :/
Um, yeah. Me, too.
Anyway, Marbles;
The dialogue seems pretty ok to me. I think we, as a media-raised culture are so accustomed to snappy dialogue (pre-filtered, edited conversation), that we don’t actually hear real conversation anymore. That is to say, if you were to transcribe an actual conversation between friends, even the people who had that conversation would read it and think “Wow. This is really stilted dialogue. How can anyone think this is remotely intersting?” However, during the conversation, people feed off/read each other’s energies and fill in the gaps that words convey. This also happens on the phone, so it’s not necessarily body language.
Now… food for thought; Because we humans are able to read these energies during conversation, I theorise that we posess latent telepathic abilities. Those who feel uncomfortable on the phone, or who do not pick up on conversational subtleties (assuming average-to-high intellect) lack these abilities to a certain extent.
(the circus gates have opened, yeah?)
While the “make your own webcomic” link was funny, it doesn’t actually constitute an articulate response to my comment.
I would LOVE to make my own webcomic. Actually, it’s something of a dream of mine. The only problem is, I have very little artistic talent, nor do I really have the time to devote to putting out a webcomic on a regular schedule. (Which is one of the things that makes a good comic; a steady update schedule. This is one of GA’s strong suits. I might not always LIKE the new comic, but at least it’s there.)
As for the body language affecting our impression of dialogue thing, I agree with you. However, I know that the GA creative team is capable of putting out good, snappy dialogue. Heck, E-merl’s last few lines struck me as pretty funny. It’s just, to me, Frigg’s dialogue always seems like a disconnect. Perhaps this is intentional, who can say? (Phil can say.)
BAD WOLF
If Rachel is a Darlek, then they’re all screwed. If Rachel is an Angel, then we’re all screwed.
Except E-merl, apparently.
Heyooooo.
His eyes are shut in panel five. If he’s going do that, he needs to DUCK. DUCK, NOW.
And whatever you do, DON’T BLINK!
(Btw, it’s “Dalek.” There is no “r.”)
E-merl’s finally wising up. The way to Rachel’s heart is pain, and lots of it.
So Rachel’s an old-school Depeche Mode fan?
Your own…personal…Gigundus…
Enjoy the BEATINGS
See page 1 of this chapter.
http://guildedage.net/webcomic/chapter-13/chapter-13-page-1/
Frigg is supposed to go to Missouri?
She’ll be headlining at Branson!
Well that answers it: it’s not Courage Wolf OR Insanity Wolf.
It’s DEFIANCE WOLF.
Step 1 of learning to smoothtalk:
When you screw up, don’t say ALOUD what you’re feeling due to the embarrassment.
No, no, E-Merle is following the classic path of “when in a hole, keep digging.” I believe the logic is that eventually you will reach China and escape.
That’s amusing because there is clearly no escape from China.
+1 Internets for you, sir.
haha
I hear some girls like the Bumbling Idiot routine.
I’ve yet to meet any of them, but I hear.
I think it’s when it’s less of an actual “routine” and more of “trying really really hard and failing”. Personally, earnest idiocy can be endearing if it’s not an act to get in one’s pants.
Earnest idiocy is generally useful, especially for flying. All you have to do is aim at the ground and miss.
“Bumbling Idiot” is only appreciated by girls who already kinda like said idiot. If he bumbles, it means it’s mutual. She reacts (“OMG! I dint kno he likes me2! Yay! I now confident & superior! Mitey Grrl Finds Bumbling Idiot Endearing”), puts a move on him and both are boosted in their self-esteem. No more bumbling, now all suave and rife with PDAs. The couple becomes annoying.
This is some of the truthiest truth any of you have ever truthed.
Listen to maggPi, she knows of what she speaks.
I love, love, LOVE the trees in the background in panel one!
I like going for walks in the woods & ravines in my city (yep! My city gots actual woodland all over!), and to see you capture the character of the woods so beautifully is a real treat! I can almost smell the delicious leafiness! I’m guessing you also spend time in actual nature…?
Seriously; big, fangirl hugs! (Don’t worry, I use soap..)
N…nat…nAtuer?
Oh, like outside?
No. See, there are BEARS outside.
Cheers,
Cote
“Are you… the wolf?”. Daww, Frigg is the most adorable
dumbassnot-Int-focussed character evar xDAww. Poor Merl. I still love you.