Annotated 31-10
This scene was interesting from a collaborative standpoint. I did the original draft and a few tweaks, but Flo did a lot of revising… she almost always deferred to me on Shanna bits, but felt she had a better grasp of Joel, and she was probably right. As a result, this scene was more of a hand-in-hand production than most things we did, at any point in the series and especially in its second half.
That bit in panel 3 is especially lovely to me now. Dude’s innocent and friendly and, just like Flo or me at a con, hoping to make any fan interaction he has into a positive one, to leave people feeling better about themselves. He can’t possibly know Shanna’s situation… and she recognizes this fact, and therefore she forgives any nerves he’s trampling.
Can’t believe I wasn’t the one to suggest a David Willis reference.
Obligatory “DAMN YOU WILLIS!!!”
Going to throw another match, but that would so not fly in this day and age.
People are not supposed to be courteous just by the knowledge they have, but they should concider all the possibilities as well. Even unintentional violence, racism or whatnot is just that, you know?
Just because “Dude” here is famous to some degree does not excuse him for not knowing their words might hurt their fan. (Using “they”, ‘cose I don’t know for sure which pronouns they prefer XD)
People really shouldn’t be made to suffer any mental inconvenience of any kind. People are not made for that!
And yeah… This might be born out of yet another article that pondered that if something like local “Princess Cake” should be renamed because it stereotypes sweets to be girly things and it could rather be called “Hänkakku” aka “Vicake” (since we have here a gender neutral word for s/he). I really couldn’t tell if they were being serious or satirical…
Also giving students Shakespeare as home reading assignment was violence towards them as the stories had many troubling aspects and forcing students to face them in their lonesome was more than they should have to handle… (this having been an actual issue raised by said students…)
So yeah… Nowadays it’d be completely acceptable for Flo to fly off the handle at this “Dude” and it would be the “Dude’s” fault for failing to take into account her possible feelings… >_>
Just… People… Don’t be dicks, or bricks, or some more femine version of it if you prefer. And that also goes to people who adamantly want no one to ever offend anyone. It happens. It will happen. People can live with it. And yes, they shouldn’t have to. And if we can change things for the better, then bully. But just be sure you don’t become a bully as well.
Gonna assume you mean “Shanna,” not Flo, in the penultimate panel here…
Indeed I did. XD
Terribly sorry about that (not to mention about yet another rant. but…). It’s an unfortunate side-effect of when I really like a story, I tend to comment along it, but I’m absolutely horribly rambly and rarely end up focusing too well. XD
You seem to be very angry at the concept of not wanting to perpetuate bad things…
That’s probably not very good for you.
If only. I’m tremendously angry at the concept of fighting the perpetuation of bad things to the point where you simply create another you end up championing.
You know, the live long to see you become the monster and what not.
Heard enough stories of even colours and the queers eating their own for not being “the way they should be” (granted, second hand, but her close friends do kinda dislike me [she still likes and cares for me for reason less understood XD], so I have little doubt she or they would lie to me of their experiences, since I’m also thinking people just go way overboard with these), let alone people waging war against things they find offensive mostly due to them being able to do so…
All the while there are even still actual misconducts and problems in basic human interactions between people due to perceived differences among people.
But in that you are exactly correct that I’ve grown more and more hateful towards the humanity as whole for not being able to just get along. Aaaaand that kind of tired, even somewhat unwarranted hate is pretty much why we don’t get along as humanity. And it really isn’t that good for me. :(
yikes. yeah, must be really hard to be a white (assuming straight and cis) man (going by your userpic) these days, huh? so difficult, being able to see it all so clearly from your position at the pinnacle of logic, as you are constantly berated by the Little People for things even they admit are called “microagressions”… such small things, so unimportant. wow.
Yeah… This… Very much this… Some people just shouldn’t have any voice or opinion on matters, ‘cose they are just too simple to understand, am I right? :D
Can you imagine they’re even letting me vote? XD
What next? Animals deciding on things? O_o”
Couldn’t we just put some people, decided upon things they have very little control over, to some farms and working for the benefit of all instead of just letting them run their mouths in public places? Really shows how it goes when you let them run free.
Or… We could work to make things more tolerable for all instead of finding more and more things that drive us apart.
People fighting intolerant people can be just as intolerant themselves. :(
Granted, none of these things are ever as simple as this. Otherwise we would have already figured these things. XD
“Can’t we all just be Karens without having to explain ourselves? How could I inform the world of how little I care about some snowflake’s feelings if they keep hurting my feelings? I mean, I have nothing against all those NPCs I keep running into, but…”
Have you ever considered the fact that you’re wrong, and that instead of raging against those who know better, who understand and who care, you should maybe just shut up and listen?
You’re wrong. Completely. Utterly.
Accept that.
Stop grasping for confirmation of your secret righteousness, because you’re not righteous.
You’re actually pretty terrible.
But until you accept that you are, that’s all you’ll amount to.
I won’t make the mistake of trying to argue with you. I’ve seen your kind before.
Sense cannot be beaten into you.
But then, one day, you just burn out and come to terms with what you are.
And what you were trying to fool yourself about.
Hatred won’t protect you from your own nature.
yep, nail -> head. white/straight/cis/male fragility on display once again at having to learn that Other People Actually Exist.
“people fighting intolerant people can be just as intolerant themselves”…. have you heard of the “paradox of tolerance”? no? didn’t think so. Google it, I’m not going to waste further effort on you.
This reads like you’ve taken something you read about, extrapolated it to infinity and are now applying it out of context.
If somebody tells me that something I keep doing annoys them, I try to not do that thing anymore. That’s basic politeness. Responding by “Oh, so now that’s not allowed, either, is it?” is effectively declaring that you won’t try to be polite unless compelled to do so by law. Turns out that laws cannot force people to be friendly and polite. But don’t be impolite and then complain that people don’t like you because that’s really hard to sympathize with.
Back to the matter at hand: I have no knowledge of those stories but
a: who is injured by renaming a cake?
b: Might be worth looking up those same stories from different sources. Wouldn’t be the first time something’s blown way out of proportion or misrepresented because it’s more interesting that way. Like the story about that lady suing McDonald’s because the coffee was too hot. She actually got serious burns from a spilled (near-boiling) coffee, considerable high medical bills (it was the US, after all…) and McD didn’t even bother to apologize. A lawsuit them was her only option. And then McD lawyers started a smear campaign against her …
For anybody that’s webcomic-scene-illiterate, what’s happening here is that Shanna is requesting an illustration from notorious real-life webcomic artist Joel Watson, creator of long-standing webcomic institution Hijinks Ensue. He’s throwing a reference to his rival and frenemy David Willis, another webcomic creator of renown, author of It’s Walky, Dumbing of Age, and other webcomics.
You, Sir or Madam, are a gentle(wo)man and a scholar.
Thanks! I did recognize some characters from Hijinks Ensue in the background, but that’s as far as I got…