So, HR… does Corruptor Beast taste like expired tapioca, or something abstract? Like… the flavor of purple, the texture of Rule 34 probabilities, or flakiness of Hillary’s deleted e-mails?
Hmm? How did the USA lose? I mean we avoided electing someone proven to be a lying manipulating warmongering sociopath who also cheated to get nominated by her own party.
I used the pronoun “her” so your ruse is kinda obvious. Yes, Hillary. Want me to explain for you?
Cheated to get the party nomination: does not apply to Trump, his party actually tried to stop his nomination instead of blatantly supporting him the way the DNC supported Hillary.
Warmongerer: does not apply to Trump, very much applies to Hillary (who POLITICALLY supported-> Serbia invasion in the 90s, Iraq in 2003, NATO expansion of Georgia and Ukraine in later 2000s- pissing off russia, invading Libya, supporting antigovernment rebels in Syria)
Liar: claimed she released all work related e-mails when she did NOT. Trump has not committed perjury, Hillary has lied to congress at least once this fall.
Manipulating Sociopath: see wikileaks and project veritas. Say what you want about trump but he never pulled off shit as shady as this.
Warmongerer doesn’t apply to Trump? He outright stated he loves war and he would “bomb the shit” out of other nations. That’s a warmongerer.
Liar doesn’t apply to Trump? He’s lied about so much shit it’s idiotic to claim he hasn’t. Then again, “liar” can apply to nearly everyone in the world.
Manipulating Sociopath… Trump is definitely a manipulator, and I’d argue he’s a sociopath too. I’m not sure “sociopath” can be properly labeled to Hillary, as much as I dislike her.
Honestly, the election between Hillary and Trump was like choosing between the Devil’s Secretary and the Devil himself. We chose the Devil. And if you don’t believe that, just look at his appointed staff and their history.
Trump just conned most of his voters, who were voting to get rid of the establishment and change the system. He’s putting the very people who are the establishment’s problems in charge.
Words do NOT make one a warmonger, actions do. Hillary supported wars then profited from them. That is action.
The rest of your post is nothing but ad hominem without evidence and speculation.
Not really “ad homenim”, or speculation. Trump’s serial bankruptcies are a matter of public record, and during his campaign he told quite a lot of well publicized easily verifiable whoppers. His business record is highly relevant because it’s the best tool voters have for anticipating his economic strategies. And lies told while campaigning are relevant, because the whole point of saying those things in the first place is to sway people to vote for him: to claim campaign statements should only counted when they help the candidate would be special pleading.
At best this sort of thing is not really unusual for any candidate (unfortunately), and Trump only stands out because of his informal tone, rather than his message or his record.
At worst, if you’re going to give Trump a free rides on the benefit of the doubt train for everything that isn’t airtight (and a lot that is as close as one can empirically get), then it’d be intellectually dishonest not to to do the same for Hillary, at which point 95% of the stuff you’re mad at about her goes poof. Gotta apply the same standards to both, regardless of whether it’s “Spanish inquisition”, or “I want to believe”.
When I look at the two candidates, mutually stripped of all the stuff that can’t be verified or that amounts to speculation, I see one candidate who, if corrupt, will attempt to exploit gaps in the system as it exists, vs one who, if corrupt, will aggressively attempt to break the system in order to grant himself greater opportunities. And I see one who has a proven track record for fixing broken economic situations, vs. one who has a proven track record for favoring short-term, boom-and-bust, apres-moi-le-deluge profit strategies.
I don’t like either one when it comes to foreign policy. Both IMO are chicken hawks (though with Trump it is as yet unclear how much of this is real policy as opposed to campaign BSing). When it comes to negotiation I think Hillary probably knows “the game” better than Trump, but Trump is probably a much better schmoozer. I think Hillary’s campaign rhetoric is probably more reflective of her actual policies (for good or ill), once you trim back the hyperbole that all campaigns are riddled with, whereas Trump is clearly telling his demographics whatever he thinks they want to hear with no clear relation to what he actually believes or will do.
In other words, Hillary has huge issues, but you pretty much already know what kind of president you’d be getting, and what you do know is a pretty reliable mix of good (the economic stuff), and bad (the security stuff). Trump is a huge unknown, not because he’s never held office, but because his his presentation of himself is so incredibly mercurial. And the stuff you do know is bad (long term economic strategy, domestic social politics), with virtually no known good. He could turn out to have good areas, but if so, he’s camouflaged them too well with his campaign BSing. Both have unknowns, but Hillary is like putting 1/4 of your chips on Black, while Trump is like going all-in on 35.
Hillary LITERALLY supported actual wars from a position of political power. Trump has not done this.
As an attorney Hillary defended a rapist by accusing the 12-year old girl he likely raped of being a ‘liar’ and a ‘whore’. This is not private talk, this is unnecessarily ruining a person’s life to win a damn case. Nothing Trump has done touches this level of depravity.
With Hillary we would have been guaranteed a Russian Cold War with a small chance of going hot as well. I’m not giving Trump a free ride, I’m giving all these ‘points’ people make the actual proportionate amount of WEIGHT they are due. Actions =/= words and incompetence =/= poking the Russian bear to look tough and risking the lives of innocents the way Hillary tried with her no fly zone.
Trump is not a great candidate or pres-elect, I can agree with you on that. But he WAS the lesser evil here because of his lesser power alone.
Hillary would not have been president if elected, with her connections in the Supreme court and Congress and the FBI/DOJ she would have become QUEEN and her word would become absolute law to every politician in Washington who values their future. These normal checks on presidential power would be like rain rolling off Hillary and co.’s shoulders. But Trump CAN be reined in by such measures.
I’m not even joking here Nessus, I seriously would have picked YOU, a stranger I barely know but have reason to believe is decent and intelligent over the monster Killary as POTUS (assuming you and Hillary were somehow the only choices of course)
[“Hillary LITERALLY supported actual wars from a position of political power.”]
…which were at least arguably justifiable and thought-out. Trump supported using nukes indiscriminately. He said so in public multiple times.
[“As an attorney Hillary defended a rapist by accusing the 12-year old girl he likely raped of being a ‘liar’ and a ‘whore’.”]
No she didn’t. This is a lie invented by talk-radio and right-wing blogs, and ginned up by Fox News. The actual record of the case is available to debunk that, if anyone actually cared to read it.
[“With Hillary we would have been guaranteed a Russian Cold War with a small chance of going hot as well.”]
Another lie, ginned up by people trying to balance out Trump’s frequent public record of out-right encouraging Russia to act against the USA’s best interests. He actually celebrated Russia’s acts of cyber-warfare against the US government because he was pleased they were boosting him. Clinton did nothing comparable on the other side of the coin.
You really are incredibly gullible. You fell hook line and sinker for a pack of lies that made Clinton out to be as bad as Trump, when the easily available public record proves the exact opposite. And now, thanks in large part to people like you, a useless know-nothing clown is going to be the next president.
When people start losing their health insurance, hate crimes sky-rocket, global climate change sinks Florida, and Wall Street’s efforts to suction up everyone else’s money go into over-drive, you lot will probably still be pretending that Clinton would have been just as bad. I hope you enjoy the at-least-four-years of dystopia you will be responsible for.
No, ad hominem would be calling you a deplorable and saying that invalidates your argument. You can’t just declare that it’s invalid to question Trump’s merits in a debate of Trump’s merits.
The worst scandal that Hilary was involved in was in using a private email server when that’s really not very secure, and being kinda careless, but not doing anything actually illegal.
Trump had a rape case against a thirteen year old girl that only stopped because in the election his supporters threatened her with death. He has scammed thousands with his trump university. He has gone bankrupt more times than I can count on the fingers of one hand. He has scammed hundreds with his ‘Trump University.’ He has been endorsed by the KKK and not spurned their support.
The widows of the four men killed in Benghazi would disagree with you, I’m sure. Not to mention the millions of Haitians still living in tents that he Clinton Corruption Foundation was supposed to help. BTW, that drivel you’re spouting about Trump has been disproved numerous times. Hillary was and is a crook and a liar and nothing will ever change that. We won, you lost, get over it. Sound familiar?
You should check things before you’re certain of them. In a forum as volatile as the internet, being demonstrated wrong by the first result of a google search can compromise an entire argument.
People like me are going to die because of this presidency, from policies that Donald and Pence are proud of and explicitly promised. Mike Pence supports child torture camps (conversion therapy) with money taken from planned parenthood. A ‘therapy’ that ends in suicide in suicide an overwhelming majority of time.
Muslim people will die. Queer people will die. They already have. That is the legacy this presidency will leave behind. And a vote for that platform is a vote to try to kill them.
…You didn’t demonstrate Prof Fate to be wrong at all, instead you spend most of your post belittling him in a snarky smug manner which I, for one, find to be VERY hateful immature behavior.
The article you link only proves that Stevens’ SISTER is willing to SAY she forgives Hillary, it does NOT address his widow at all.
Even if you could prove that a benghazi widow voluntarily forgave Killary, it would do very little to prove Fate’s overall point wrong.
Looks like you just wanted to skip to gloating and insulting someone on the internet without doing the hard part: proving them wrong.
[Reply to Sumgai at 11/17 0244] You don’t get it. I don’t HAVE to rebut your argument because it is irrelevant and very weak.
Again, even if I concede that ONE benghazi widow forgave via her family spokesperson Hillary… it does nothing for you. Let’s review.
nights false point: Hillary’s worst scandal was email deletion
fate’s true counterpoint: Not true, it was getting 4 americans killed in Benghazi via negligence and/or conning millions of dollars from Haiti to the clinton foundation leading to thousands on innocents starving.
your random interjection: Well I found an article where 1 widow’s family spokesperson told the reporter she forgave Hillary and now because of ‘internet rules’ me kinda-proving your INTRODUCTORY LINE [smh so hard] to be slightly inaccurate makes your argument fall apart and you look dumb *victory pose*
So as I said: you did not prove Fate wrong at all, in fact you did not even take an approach that could prove his point wrong and I think you know this.
As I have intimated previously, the individual assertions of an argument must be able to stand in order to present a strong case. To fall flat on a specific point calls the others into question, especially if the claims were not evidenced.
It’s called an introductory line Sumgai, as I already explained. The ‘forgiveness’ or lack thereof of Benghazi widows was absolutely NOT a core part of Fate’s argument or a serious claim and any adult with a bit of logical sense could easily recognize this.
Also your ‘evidence’ is absolutely pathetic, relying on the assumption that the widow shares the viewpoint of her DEAD HUSBAND’s “family spokesperson” and even if true would only prove ONE widow ‘forgave’ Hillary which does not even fully contradict the INTRO LINE.
Firstly, please stop saying ‘Killery’. It undermines you’re arguments when you use the term. Similar to if I used one of Trump’s nicknames. It sends the message that you are basing at least a portion of your argument of opinion, as opposed to fact, which fails to impress anyone.
Secondly, I haven’t the time to dig my way through the plethora of false information surrounding either candidate, and so I shan’t go into debunking which of your (and your opponent’s) statements are false. just make sure you know where you’re getting your info. Make sure it’s a credible source, and look at more than one take, lest you’re opinion becomes bias.
Thirdly, I’ve been dying to meet an intellectually capable Trump supporter, and I have questions to ask, ones that I wish for you to defend against without dodging:
1. How do you justify Donald Trump’s endorsement from the KKK? No matter what you think, you have to admit, the KKK is bad news, and please note that I will consider the answer you give to be one I will judge you for; so try not to come across as racist.
2. The infamous ‘bus video’ in which Donald Trump brags of sexual assault, is irrefutable, and one which he himself didn’t deny, passing it off as ‘locker room banter’. What is your opinion on this matter, and same as question 1, I’m judging you. Try not to come across as sexist.
3. Donald Trump declared the election to be rigged. Do you agree? If you don’t, why do you think he said this? If you do, why did he win?
4. Donald Trump has filed for bankruptcy many, many times. This shows a poor lack in economic judgment. What can you say about this matter? You have yet to address it.
So, there we are. If you can supply defence for these four questions, I will wholeheartedly agree that Trump was a better choice.
You see, I’m not American, and I am impartial in this matter. I’d be willing to support Trump, but these four points scare me. I’d appreciate it if you don’t mention Hillery once during your message, as she is irrelevant to these questions. I don’t care what she’s done, because she didn’t win. All my friends are against Trump, and I’d prefer to know the other side of the argument for him before I agree with them.
No, that is very very far from the worst thing Hillary was involved in and the fact that you think so proves you did not research her history like many of the people who left her side to vote for Trump (including me).
Nothing I can say will change your warped perspective and I bet you feel the same about me. So we’re done. Goodbye.
The fact that you think that proves you did all your “research” on am talk radio. Lies and false controversies invented in the right-wing fever swamps prove nothing except that you are incredibly gullible.
So yeah, I hope we’re done here, because you’re going to have blood on your hands and will probably spend the rest of your days denying that. Us decent people aren’t interested in dealing with that.
Ah, another democrat reply that is literally nothing but insult. Thanks for reminding me why I made the correct choice in leaving.
Here’s a thought- if you think so poorly of me do not reply to me again on this site. I’ll do the same regarding you and we can both avoid interacting with each other in the future. Sound good?
Please, both of you. As I mentioned in my message to Danzin, please leave opinions out of this. Insulting your opponent makes you look unprofessional. I know it’s the internet, and there aren’t really standards, but it degrades your argument every time you act in an emotional manner.
You are both at fault, in this case. For, proof, I can look back at previous messages. I don’t blame you, as this topic is one that can make someone emotional, but you really do need to calm down and answer without insulting, generalizing, or dodging questions.
How about, instead of berating the other’s opinion, calling it ‘warped’ or ‘gullible’, you look at your own opinion, and defend instead of attack. I’ve already seen plenty against Hillary, so thank you for that, Danzin, but I’d like you to now explain why Trump is a good choice. I’ve asked some questions in the thread above this one, and I’d like it if you could give me your opinion. This isn’t to prove a point, it’s just to better understand your opinions. I haven’t asked the same for Hilery because most of the people I am surrounded by supported her, and I’ve already heard their answers. All I need now is for a Trump supporter to explain their side of things. Can you do that for me? Thanks.
There really was no winning option in this election… One side offered us a corrupt candidate with a long history of telling whatever lie seemed expedient and then doing whatever action resulted in the largest personal profit, and the other side offered us… Wait… They both offered us exactly the same thing, the only difference is which flavour of lies they tell and what path they launder their ill-gotten gains through to make it seem legitimate…
The sad thing is that each side’s supporters are so focused on “winning” and on their own pet issues that they don’t notice that the overall platform from both candidates is basically a promise to destroy what’s left of the American economy, take what’s left of American liberty, and funnel the profits to their friends and allies. The only difference is how they plan to go about it.
Fair enough, for me I was never focused on ‘winning’ but as soon as I even considered switching my vote from Hillary to Trump all I heard from every.single.liberal. I met was unfair accusations of being bigoted or stupid. I’m sick to death of this judgmental holier than though delusional PC culture and it seems I’m not alone.
Because of the non-stop barrage of hateful insults and false accusations I received this election (and afterwards) I have decided I will NEVER vote democrat again in my lifetime. I’ve met quite a few other ex-democrats with similar stories who made the same pledge.
No! No! Please don’t do that! Don’t say ‘I never focused on winning, it was the other guy’ because, I’m afraid, in this argument, you BOTH hoped to ‘win’. I have seen your arguments, and I can tell from your diction that you are an intelligent individual, but never assume superiority over your opponent.
You are smart, therefore you are not bigoted, as that is a path tread by only the ignorant. You have approached this issue with an *almost* unbiased opinion, which is commendable, and you have put up with a whole lot of hate. I respect you as a human being. So, I know that you will understand that, in assuming every democrat/liberal to be deluded, you have made a severe generalization. I can see that there are both intelligent, capable people on both sides of this debate, and so I ask that you answer the questions I have written above, and won’t judge anyone based on the opinion of others. Thank you.
What did you expect? There’s a lot of hatred on both sides. For us non-americans, it looks as if your democracy took quite some damage in this campaign. People seem not to discuss things anymore, they are just trying to shout one another down .
Agreed. There’s to much opinion in all this. What we need is an absolutely unbiased summary of this election that isn’t buried under all this…emotion. People just don’t have the attention span to dig through all this by themselves.
No, see, this is a good thing. We can’t fix the voting system until we convince everyone that it’s broken. Give it a decade, and we’ll have ranked-choice voting and the Electoral College will be just a bad memory.
I know! It’s nice to see the opponents stay calm, even if they didn’t really listen to each other. It shows what an intelligent crowd you’ve attracted. Bravo!
Also, the choice of Mike Pence as VP, Steve Bannon as strategist, the possibility of Ben Carson as secretary of Education.
So, we’ve got homophobia, racism, and science denialism right at the top of his list. It is literally impossible for Hillary to have been worse than him.
I respect your opinion but ask that you consider this possibility: Trump is not really a lesser evil because he is a better person than Clinton but because he will be a WEAKER president than Hillary would be, in terms of the crucial abilities to get around the usual ‘checks’ on executive power and pull strings around the globe. She is a virtuoso of this art, he is a novice who will have to ‘play ball’ like Obama had to.
She would just coerce the Republicans one by one the same way Obama did-remember when Obama invited Repubs one by one to his office for quick 10 minute ‘chats’ and they magically changed their stances on healthcare? That’s called coercion, blackmail etc. etc.
A small part of her power is the ‘political playbook’ she and Barack developed over the last 8 years, which includes Democrat fave tactics like sicking the IRS on republicans. She would have been able to easily manipulate congress and the supreme court, she already proved herself capable of such.
Stop! Stop! Stop! You’ve gained my respect with your intelligent tones, don’t start in on conspiracy! Such claims are not based on fact, but opinion! Where did you even get all that information? Could you supply the sources please? I’m sure someone as reasonable as yourself would have plenty to provide. I know you don’t just pick this up off social media. You’ve proven yourself far more capable than that!
There was a short lived ninja party…I think? It may have been pirate.Either way. It would have been awesome to have both in the election, just for the memes. Neither would have a snowball’s chance in CA to win, BUT…the memes. Sometimes, the unrepentant reaming we are going to get no matter who wins has to be balanced with the yuckyucks.
Have I mentioned how glad I am that I’m not a U.S. citizen? No?
I am very glad. I am more glad than a person who is quite glad indeed. I would even go so far as to say that I am not extremely far from being as glad as someone who competed in the World Championship of Being Glad, but maybe finished last, or at least didn’t get a medal.
On the other hand, I still live on the same planet, so there’s that.
…..I am wondering how any of these replies had anything to do with the original comment? O.o And cadbury breakfast cereal sounds horrisome. Both horrible and awesome.
http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=1348
and the following four or five strips
however it is quite far into the comic, so you might want to start at the beginning.
but be warned its some big pile to read through and will take a while.
most likely you will feel it will have been worth it.
No. HR’s mind took over the homonculus’s body when he got into the tube and entered Arkerra. The homonculus is HR in the same way that Frigg is the gray tube lady.
HR will soon have enough cyber power to transform himself into the Nigerian Prince.
‘Click here to increase your cosmic power in just one month!’
‘With just a small investment of a sixteenth of your current power.’
‘And I’ll even throw in a free tablet, so you can better track you power levels.’
PCs hate him, find out why!
You joke, but I know people who’ve fallen for that scam.
So incredibly deserved, it was.
So, HR… does Corruptor Beast taste like expired tapioca, or something abstract? Like… the flavor of purple, the texture of Rule 34 probabilities, or flakiness of Hillary’s deleted e-mails?
I’d guess something like Curau. With bits of vengeance. Leaves a “want more power” sensation on mouth.
Calling it now: Moldy Flan.
It tastes cromulently.
Chicken, of course. Everything tastes like chicken. Chicken soup, in this case.
It looks like it probably tastes like Sunny Delight.
More like wasabi and soy marinated eggplant. Sounds weird, feels weird, tastes weird…but it’s disturbingly good and makes you want more.
It tastes like Pad Thai.
Ewwww, don’t eat yellow eye snot!
And please eat glutton-free from now on, HR face’nstuff!
But yellow eye snot is a gluten free source of protien?
Oh, hey, I love those things! Crunchy on the outside and a chewy center!
Ia! Ia! Nougat fhtagn!
Fnord!
This post doesn’t exist.
jokes on you, I can see the fnords. :p
My bird’s been pining for the fnords.
A moose bit my bird once.
HR no don’t ea… You’re eating it. Goddammit HR. This is one of the reasons people think you’re creepy.
Still not as bad as underwear hugs for the minion.
Another thinly-veiled political commentary? Look, we lost the election, get over it.
(j/k)
What do you mean “we”?
The United States.
nice :D
Hmm? How did the USA lose? I mean we avoided electing someone proven to be a lying manipulating warmongering sociopath who also cheated to get nominated by her own party.
Wait… I can’t tell… Are you referring to Trump, or Hillery..? I honestly can’t tell…
I used the pronoun “her” so your ruse is kinda obvious. Yes, Hillary. Want me to explain for you?
Cheated to get the party nomination: does not apply to Trump, his party actually tried to stop his nomination instead of blatantly supporting him the way the DNC supported Hillary.
Warmongerer: does not apply to Trump, very much applies to Hillary (who POLITICALLY supported-> Serbia invasion in the 90s, Iraq in 2003, NATO expansion of Georgia and Ukraine in later 2000s- pissing off russia, invading Libya, supporting antigovernment rebels in Syria)
Liar: claimed she released all work related e-mails when she did NOT. Trump has not committed perjury, Hillary has lied to congress at least once this fall.
Manipulating Sociopath: see wikileaks and project veritas. Say what you want about trump but he never pulled off shit as shady as this.
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Warmongerer doesn’t apply to Trump? He outright stated he loves war and he would “bomb the shit” out of other nations. That’s a warmongerer.
Liar doesn’t apply to Trump? He’s lied about so much shit it’s idiotic to claim he hasn’t. Then again, “liar” can apply to nearly everyone in the world.
Manipulating Sociopath… Trump is definitely a manipulator, and I’d argue he’s a sociopath too. I’m not sure “sociopath” can be properly labeled to Hillary, as much as I dislike her.
Honestly, the election between Hillary and Trump was like choosing between the Devil’s Secretary and the Devil himself. We chose the Devil. And if you don’t believe that, just look at his appointed staff and their history.
Trump just conned most of his voters, who were voting to get rid of the establishment and change the system. He’s putting the very people who are the establishment’s problems in charge.
Words do NOT make one a warmonger, actions do. Hillary supported wars then profited from them. That is action.
The rest of your post is nothing but ad hominem without evidence and speculation.
Not really “ad homenim”, or speculation. Trump’s serial bankruptcies are a matter of public record, and during his campaign he told quite a lot of well publicized easily verifiable whoppers. His business record is highly relevant because it’s the best tool voters have for anticipating his economic strategies. And lies told while campaigning are relevant, because the whole point of saying those things in the first place is to sway people to vote for him: to claim campaign statements should only counted when they help the candidate would be special pleading.
At best this sort of thing is not really unusual for any candidate (unfortunately), and Trump only stands out because of his informal tone, rather than his message or his record.
At worst, if you’re going to give Trump a free rides on the benefit of the doubt train for everything that isn’t airtight (and a lot that is as close as one can empirically get), then it’d be intellectually dishonest not to to do the same for Hillary, at which point 95% of the stuff you’re mad at about her goes poof. Gotta apply the same standards to both, regardless of whether it’s “Spanish inquisition”, or “I want to believe”.
When I look at the two candidates, mutually stripped of all the stuff that can’t be verified or that amounts to speculation, I see one candidate who, if corrupt, will attempt to exploit gaps in the system as it exists, vs one who, if corrupt, will aggressively attempt to break the system in order to grant himself greater opportunities. And I see one who has a proven track record for fixing broken economic situations, vs. one who has a proven track record for favoring short-term, boom-and-bust, apres-moi-le-deluge profit strategies.
I don’t like either one when it comes to foreign policy. Both IMO are chicken hawks (though with Trump it is as yet unclear how much of this is real policy as opposed to campaign BSing). When it comes to negotiation I think Hillary probably knows “the game” better than Trump, but Trump is probably a much better schmoozer. I think Hillary’s campaign rhetoric is probably more reflective of her actual policies (for good or ill), once you trim back the hyperbole that all campaigns are riddled with, whereas Trump is clearly telling his demographics whatever he thinks they want to hear with no clear relation to what he actually believes or will do.
In other words, Hillary has huge issues, but you pretty much already know what kind of president you’d be getting, and what you do know is a pretty reliable mix of good (the economic stuff), and bad (the security stuff). Trump is a huge unknown, not because he’s never held office, but because his his presentation of himself is so incredibly mercurial. And the stuff you do know is bad (long term economic strategy, domestic social politics), with virtually no known good. He could turn out to have good areas, but if so, he’s camouflaged them too well with his campaign BSing. Both have unknowns, but Hillary is like putting 1/4 of your chips on Black, while Trump is like going all-in on 35.
Hillary LITERALLY supported actual wars from a position of political power. Trump has not done this.
As an attorney Hillary defended a rapist by accusing the 12-year old girl he likely raped of being a ‘liar’ and a ‘whore’. This is not private talk, this is unnecessarily ruining a person’s life to win a damn case. Nothing Trump has done touches this level of depravity.
With Hillary we would have been guaranteed a Russian Cold War with a small chance of going hot as well. I’m not giving Trump a free ride, I’m giving all these ‘points’ people make the actual proportionate amount of WEIGHT they are due. Actions =/= words and incompetence =/= poking the Russian bear to look tough and risking the lives of innocents the way Hillary tried with her no fly zone.
Trump is not a great candidate or pres-elect, I can agree with you on that. But he WAS the lesser evil here because of his lesser power alone.
Hillary would not have been president if elected, with her connections in the Supreme court and Congress and the FBI/DOJ she would have become QUEEN and her word would become absolute law to every politician in Washington who values their future. These normal checks on presidential power would be like rain rolling off Hillary and co.’s shoulders. But Trump CAN be reined in by such measures.
I’m not even joking here Nessus, I seriously would have picked YOU, a stranger I barely know but have reason to believe is decent and intelligent over the monster Killary as POTUS (assuming you and Hillary were somehow the only choices of course)
[“Hillary LITERALLY supported actual wars from a position of political power.”]
…which were at least arguably justifiable and thought-out. Trump supported using nukes indiscriminately. He said so in public multiple times.
[“As an attorney Hillary defended a rapist by accusing the 12-year old girl he likely raped of being a ‘liar’ and a ‘whore’.”]
No she didn’t. This is a lie invented by talk-radio and right-wing blogs, and ginned up by Fox News. The actual record of the case is available to debunk that, if anyone actually cared to read it.
[“With Hillary we would have been guaranteed a Russian Cold War with a small chance of going hot as well.”]
Another lie, ginned up by people trying to balance out Trump’s frequent public record of out-right encouraging Russia to act against the USA’s best interests. He actually celebrated Russia’s acts of cyber-warfare against the US government because he was pleased they were boosting him. Clinton did nothing comparable on the other side of the coin.
You really are incredibly gullible. You fell hook line and sinker for a pack of lies that made Clinton out to be as bad as Trump, when the easily available public record proves the exact opposite. And now, thanks in large part to people like you, a useless know-nothing clown is going to be the next president.
When people start losing their health insurance, hate crimes sky-rocket, global climate change sinks Florida, and Wall Street’s efforts to suction up everyone else’s money go into over-drive, you lot will probably still be pretending that Clinton would have been just as bad. I hope you enjoy the at-least-four-years of dystopia you will be responsible for.
No, ad hominem would be calling you a deplorable and saying that invalidates your argument. You can’t just declare that it’s invalid to question Trump’s merits in a debate of Trump’s merits.
“Honestly, the election between Hillary and Trump was like choosing between the Devil’s Secretary and the Devil himself ”
To me more like choosing between Mephistopheles and Beelzebub, Neither of these characters can hold a candle the Father of Lies, Satan by name.
The worst scandal that Hilary was involved in was in using a private email server when that’s really not very secure, and being kinda careless, but not doing anything actually illegal.
Trump had a rape case against a thirteen year old girl that only stopped because in the election his supporters threatened her with death. He has scammed thousands with his trump university. He has gone bankrupt more times than I can count on the fingers of one hand. He has scammed hundreds with his ‘Trump University.’ He has been endorsed by the KKK and not spurned their support.
America lost the election.
The widows of the four men killed in Benghazi would disagree with you, I’m sure. Not to mention the millions of Haitians still living in tents that he Clinton Corruption Foundation was supposed to help. BTW, that drivel you’re spouting about Trump has been disproved numerous times. Hillary was and is a crook and a liar and nothing will ever change that. We won, you lost, get over it. Sound familiar?
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/chris-stevenss-family-dont-blame-hillary-clinton-for-benghazi
You should check things before you’re certain of them. In a forum as volatile as the internet, being demonstrated wrong by the first result of a google search can compromise an entire argument.
^^^^^^^
People like me are going to die because of this presidency, from policies that Donald and Pence are proud of and explicitly promised. Mike Pence supports child torture camps (conversion therapy) with money taken from planned parenthood. A ‘therapy’ that ends in suicide in suicide an overwhelming majority of time.
Muslim people will die. Queer people will die. They already have. That is the legacy this presidency will leave behind. And a vote for that platform is a vote to try to kill them.
America lost.
…You didn’t demonstrate Prof Fate to be wrong at all, instead you spend most of your post belittling him in a snarky smug manner which I, for one, find to be VERY hateful immature behavior.
The article you link only proves that Stevens’ SISTER is willing to SAY she forgives Hillary, it does NOT address his widow at all.
Even if you could prove that a benghazi widow voluntarily forgave Killary, it would do very little to prove Fate’s overall point wrong.
Looks like you just wanted to skip to gloating and insulting someone on the internet without doing the hard part: proving them wrong.
If the family spokesperson is not also speaking for the widow, it would provide a stronger counter-argument to provide information demonstrating so.
[Reply to Sumgai at 11/17 0244] You don’t get it. I don’t HAVE to rebut your argument because it is irrelevant and very weak.
Again, even if I concede that ONE benghazi widow forgave via her family spokesperson Hillary… it does nothing for you. Let’s review.
nights false point: Hillary’s worst scandal was email deletion
fate’s true counterpoint: Not true, it was getting 4 americans killed in Benghazi via negligence and/or conning millions of dollars from Haiti to the clinton foundation leading to thousands on innocents starving.
your random interjection: Well I found an article where 1 widow’s family spokesperson told the reporter she forgave Hillary and now because of ‘internet rules’ me kinda-proving your INTRODUCTORY LINE [smh so hard] to be slightly inaccurate makes your argument fall apart and you look dumb *victory pose*
So as I said: you did not prove Fate wrong at all, in fact you did not even take an approach that could prove his point wrong and I think you know this.
As I have intimated previously, the individual assertions of an argument must be able to stand in order to present a strong case. To fall flat on a specific point calls the others into question, especially if the claims were not evidenced.
It’s called an introductory line Sumgai, as I already explained. The ‘forgiveness’ or lack thereof of Benghazi widows was absolutely NOT a core part of Fate’s argument or a serious claim and any adult with a bit of logical sense could easily recognize this.
Also your ‘evidence’ is absolutely pathetic, relying on the assumption that the widow shares the viewpoint of her DEAD HUSBAND’s “family spokesperson” and even if true would only prove ONE widow ‘forgave’ Hillary which does not even fully contradict the INTRO LINE.
To Danzin:
Firstly, please stop saying ‘Killery’. It undermines you’re arguments when you use the term. Similar to if I used one of Trump’s nicknames. It sends the message that you are basing at least a portion of your argument of opinion, as opposed to fact, which fails to impress anyone.
Secondly, I haven’t the time to dig my way through the plethora of false information surrounding either candidate, and so I shan’t go into debunking which of your (and your opponent’s) statements are false. just make sure you know where you’re getting your info. Make sure it’s a credible source, and look at more than one take, lest you’re opinion becomes bias.
Thirdly, I’ve been dying to meet an intellectually capable Trump supporter, and I have questions to ask, ones that I wish for you to defend against without dodging:
1. How do you justify Donald Trump’s endorsement from the KKK? No matter what you think, you have to admit, the KKK is bad news, and please note that I will consider the answer you give to be one I will judge you for; so try not to come across as racist.
2. The infamous ‘bus video’ in which Donald Trump brags of sexual assault, is irrefutable, and one which he himself didn’t deny, passing it off as ‘locker room banter’. What is your opinion on this matter, and same as question 1, I’m judging you. Try not to come across as sexist.
3. Donald Trump declared the election to be rigged. Do you agree? If you don’t, why do you think he said this? If you do, why did he win?
4. Donald Trump has filed for bankruptcy many, many times. This shows a poor lack in economic judgment. What can you say about this matter? You have yet to address it.
So, there we are. If you can supply defence for these four questions, I will wholeheartedly agree that Trump was a better choice.
You see, I’m not American, and I am impartial in this matter. I’d be willing to support Trump, but these four points scare me. I’d appreciate it if you don’t mention Hillery once during your message, as she is irrelevant to these questions. I don’t care what she’s done, because she didn’t win. All my friends are against Trump, and I’d prefer to know the other side of the argument for him before I agree with them.
Thanks.
No, that is very very far from the worst thing Hillary was involved in and the fact that you think so proves you did not research her history like many of the people who left her side to vote for Trump (including me).
Nothing I can say will change your warped perspective and I bet you feel the same about me. So we’re done. Goodbye.
The fact that you think that proves you did all your “research” on am talk radio. Lies and false controversies invented in the right-wing fever swamps prove nothing except that you are incredibly gullible.
So yeah, I hope we’re done here, because you’re going to have blood on your hands and will probably spend the rest of your days denying that. Us decent people aren’t interested in dealing with that.
Ah, another democrat reply that is literally nothing but insult. Thanks for reminding me why I made the correct choice in leaving.
Here’s a thought- if you think so poorly of me do not reply to me again on this site. I’ll do the same regarding you and we can both avoid interacting with each other in the future. Sound good?
Please, both of you. As I mentioned in my message to Danzin, please leave opinions out of this. Insulting your opponent makes you look unprofessional. I know it’s the internet, and there aren’t really standards, but it degrades your argument every time you act in an emotional manner.
You are both at fault, in this case. For, proof, I can look back at previous messages. I don’t blame you, as this topic is one that can make someone emotional, but you really do need to calm down and answer without insulting, generalizing, or dodging questions.
How about, instead of berating the other’s opinion, calling it ‘warped’ or ‘gullible’, you look at your own opinion, and defend instead of attack. I’ve already seen plenty against Hillary, so thank you for that, Danzin, but I’d like you to now explain why Trump is a good choice. I’ve asked some questions in the thread above this one, and I’d like it if you could give me your opinion. This isn’t to prove a point, it’s just to better understand your opinions. I haven’t asked the same for Hilery because most of the people I am surrounded by supported her, and I’ve already heard their answers. All I need now is for a Trump supporter to explain their side of things. Can you do that for me? Thanks.
There really was no winning option in this election… One side offered us a corrupt candidate with a long history of telling whatever lie seemed expedient and then doing whatever action resulted in the largest personal profit, and the other side offered us… Wait… They both offered us exactly the same thing, the only difference is which flavour of lies they tell and what path they launder their ill-gotten gains through to make it seem legitimate…
The sad thing is that each side’s supporters are so focused on “winning” and on their own pet issues that they don’t notice that the overall platform from both candidates is basically a promise to destroy what’s left of the American economy, take what’s left of American liberty, and funnel the profits to their friends and allies. The only difference is how they plan to go about it.
Fair enough, for me I was never focused on ‘winning’ but as soon as I even considered switching my vote from Hillary to Trump all I heard from every.single.liberal. I met was unfair accusations of being bigoted or stupid. I’m sick to death of this judgmental holier than though delusional PC culture and it seems I’m not alone.
Because of the non-stop barrage of hateful insults and false accusations I received this election (and afterwards) I have decided I will NEVER vote democrat again in my lifetime. I’ve met quite a few other ex-democrats with similar stories who made the same pledge.
No! No! Please don’t do that! Don’t say ‘I never focused on winning, it was the other guy’ because, I’m afraid, in this argument, you BOTH hoped to ‘win’. I have seen your arguments, and I can tell from your diction that you are an intelligent individual, but never assume superiority over your opponent.
You are smart, therefore you are not bigoted, as that is a path tread by only the ignorant. You have approached this issue with an *almost* unbiased opinion, which is commendable, and you have put up with a whole lot of hate. I respect you as a human being. So, I know that you will understand that, in assuming every democrat/liberal to be deluded, you have made a severe generalization. I can see that there are both intelligent, capable people on both sides of this debate, and so I ask that you answer the questions I have written above, and won’t judge anyone based on the opinion of others. Thank you.
OK, I regret making this comment now.
Lol, Like you could not know where it was going? =)
What did you expect? There’s a lot of hatred on both sides. For us non-americans, it looks as if your democracy took quite some damage in this campaign. People seem not to discuss things anymore, they are just trying to shout one another down .
No, that’s how it’s always worked. The only difference is that in 2016, more people can hear you yelling than ever before.
Agreed. There’s to much opinion in all this. What we need is an absolutely unbiased summary of this election that isn’t buried under all this…emotion. People just don’t have the attention span to dig through all this by themselves.
No, see, this is a good thing. We can’t fix the voting system until we convince everyone that it’s broken. Give it a decade, and we’ll have ranked-choice voting and the Electoral College will be just a bad memory.
Hey, at least it stayed pretty civil!
This is why we appreciate you guys.
I know! It’s nice to see the opponents stay calm, even if they didn’t really listen to each other. It shows what an intelligent crowd you’ve attracted. Bravo!
The only way to win was not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
I honestly didn’t think my comment would spark THIS MUCH backlash. I’m never posting another political comment on this site, I’ve learned my lesson.
Noted.
Given Trump’s attitude toward climate change (to name one issue), in my opinion he’ll do far more damage than Hillary would have.
Also, the choice of Mike Pence as VP, Steve Bannon as strategist, the possibility of Ben Carson as secretary of Education.
So, we’ve got homophobia, racism, and science denialism right at the top of his list. It is literally impossible for Hillary to have been worse than him.
I respect your opinion but ask that you consider this possibility: Trump is not really a lesser evil because he is a better person than Clinton but because he will be a WEAKER president than Hillary would be, in terms of the crucial abilities to get around the usual ‘checks’ on executive power and pull strings around the globe. She is a virtuoso of this art, he is a novice who will have to ‘play ball’ like Obama had to.
Hillary would have been the weaker president, having to deal with a Republican Congress and Senate
She would just coerce the Republicans one by one the same way Obama did-remember when Obama invited Repubs one by one to his office for quick 10 minute ‘chats’ and they magically changed their stances on healthcare? That’s called coercion, blackmail etc. etc.
A small part of her power is the ‘political playbook’ she and Barack developed over the last 8 years, which includes Democrat fave tactics like sicking the IRS on republicans. She would have been able to easily manipulate congress and the supreme court, she already proved herself capable of such.
Stop! Stop! Stop! You’ve gained my respect with your intelligent tones, don’t start in on conspiracy! Such claims are not based on fact, but opinion! Where did you even get all that information? Could you supply the sources please? I’m sure someone as reasonable as yourself would have plenty to provide. I know you don’t just pick this up off social media. You’ve proven yourself far more capable than that!
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!
Yeah! And I voted for the Rhinoceros Party! Wait, that’s Canada. Huh.
(Seriously, though, Google Rhinoceros party. They exist. It’s beautiful)
Iceland has the Pirate Party! :D
Why can’t we have political party names like that in the US?
There was a short lived ninja party…I think? It may have been pirate.Either way. It would have been awesome to have both in the election, just for the memes. Neither would have a snowball’s chance in CA to win, BUT…the memes. Sometimes, the unrepentant reaming we are going to get no matter who wins has to be balanced with the yuckyucks.
So it would have swept the Sierras?
Ok… but this better not be like the time someone told me to look up the lemon party…
Please allow me to explicate this obvious allegory:
“Collect our resources. We must evacuate immediately.” = Libruls whining about leaving the country, OF COURSE
“The unpredictable has happened.” = Trump winning the election, OBVIOUSLY
“That which consumed all is being consumed.” = The Democratic Party, DUH
“As previously stated, Cyberia has changed.” = The Republicans having control of everything, Duh-DOY!
“It will change again, and soon.” = The authors’ view of the impending “calamitous” policy changes (BIASED)
“And there is no way to predict how.” = TAKE THAT, NATE SILVER!
(still kidding)
Have I mentioned how glad I am that I’m not a U.S. citizen? No?
I am very glad. I am more glad than a person who is quite glad indeed. I would even go so far as to say that I am not extremely far from being as glad as someone who competed in the World Championship of Being Glad, but maybe finished last, or at least didn’t get a medal.
On the other hand, I still live on the same planet, so there’s that.
Wait, wait.
I thought H.R. represented capitalsm?
THINGS CAN HAVE MULTIPLE MEANINGS, SUMGAI.
Eye carumba!
Eye see what ya did there! Also, sh*t has gone from bad to worse in cyberia, and soon to be anywhere else.
HR discovered the source of ultimate power. Cadbury Egg cereal.
Yes, you solve world peace, but you get forced out of office for everything else you did.
What does “solving world peace” mean? Starting wars again?
“DON’T WORRY GUYS! I FIXED THE PROBLEM! WHILE I WAS AT IT, I ALSO SOLVED A CURE FOR CANCER! AND SOLVED PUPPIES TOO! WHATS WRONG GUYS!? Guys?”
…..I am wondering how any of these replies had anything to do with the original comment? O.o And cadbury breakfast cereal sounds horrisome. Both horrible and awesome.
http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=1348
and the following four or five strips
however it is quite far into the comic, so you might want to start at the beginning.
but be warned its some big pile to read through and will take a while.
most likely you will feel it will have been worth it.
I forget, is this the homunculus or HR himself? They ARE distinct, yes?
No. HR’s mind took over the homonculus’s body when he got into the tube and entered Arkerra. The homonculus is HR in the same way that Frigg is the gray tube lady.
topicallllll
Looks more like it’s being applied orally.
It was going to eat him, and so he’s eating it. Eye for an eye justice, right there.
Seems fair, really.
HR goes Windigo.
Dude, c’mon. Leave some yellow energy goop for everyone else. Manners!
Mmmmh, Vanilla Eyes custard.
Yellow matter custard…dripping from a dead dog’s eye…
These upgrades are always power-hungry. Now the question is, where can he find sufficient RAM…
Oh dear. I am afraid to look.
Seems he is RAM-ming it into his face enough for anything! *badumtssss*
Yep. I’ll see myself out now. *poof*
-And this is totally not gross, weird, perverse or unhealthy. Where he comes from, this behaviour is considered pretty normal
-New York, huh?
I really want to know what that tastes like, but I also really don’t want to know what that tastes like. :I
It probably tastes like chicken. A lot of things taste like chicken. That might be something that the Matrix had trouble translating.
Thanks Giving came early for HR Jr.