Not Illiterate, maybe just doesn’t like having to write, or simply doesn’t like her handwriting (that is the case with me, because of brain trauma it rarely ever looks the same twice: basically having to relearn how to form the letters every time; know the concept, just not always sure how they will fit together)
No, it means mutually independent. Sometimes it’s extended to mean mutually exclusive even, but I’m pretty sure Kamino Neko just meant that they had nothing to do with each other. Whether or not someone could read would have nothing to do with how intelligent they were and visa-versa.
My dad has trouble reading and always misspells simple words…yet can completely dismantle and rebuild pretty much anything and after he’s done it once can guide someone else in repairs over the phone…so yeah…it’s possible.
saying that two things are”mutually independent” would mean that neither of them require the other for existence…or in other words…they are completely exclusive.
Surely independence requires there to be no relation, whereas exclusivity is a relation.
Alternatively, if two things are exclusive, then each places restrictions on the other, which means they affect each other, and are thus not independent.
That is to say, “mutually inclusive” doesn’t mean “may include eachother” but rather means “must include eachother”. However, looking at this, it is just a matter of symantics. Often times I’d see similiar ‘discrepencies’ when learning math from different sources. So yeah, I definitely see what Ahdok means. Although a fairly standardized body of terminology is a good thing in general (as is the case for math), the only important requirement is that one properly define the terms in question and that everyone agrees on the meanings of the specific terms within the context. The word ‘orthognal’ there is pretty useful in this regard though: I find it hard to confuse its meaning when I visualize the three dimensions of space and recall that they are “orthogonal” to eachother.
1. We know Fr’Nj is in the fighting party. Doesn’t she get a vote? (Maybe she’s under 18)
2. Syr’Nj is writing with a wooden pencil. Isn’t that like using a dead finger bone to write with?
2. Syr’Nj is writing with a wooden pencil. Isn’t that like using a dead finger bone to write with?
Not really. Unless Gastonians make their pencils from elves (which, to be fair, is not impossible), it’s more like using a quill as a pen, or writing on parchment.
But birds, cows, goats, and sheep are totally made of flesh, just like we are, and we still use their body parts for writing with/on. (And for food, too!)
And elf using part of a non-sapient tree is no different than us using part of a non-sapient animal.
I think vellum’s relation to calf skin is just an etymological artifact, and it mostly refers to a grade of parchment, not the animal the skin came from (which could be cow, sheep, or goat).
However, the Wikipedia article on Vellum indicates that the French term Velin is strict in its meaning of calfskin, whereas the British usage of Vellum has been generalized to mean goat, sheep or calf skin.
so, I think there are different opinons depending on who you ask.
1) People used to make dip pens and fountain pens out of bone and you can find some still being made today.
2) So what? This is like feeding chicken to seagulls and listening to someone ask if that makes it cannibalism.
I’d tend to agree, but Byron seems to be back in a space where he could accept leadership and Bandit seems to be wanting to show her worth as part of the original group.
Especially that. And… she might be making the vote in joke, since here low self-esteem prevents her from predicting that three other people would vote her way too.
Well, two, but Syr is going to read Frigg’s vote as Randit, I predict.
What, that is supposed to be “Gravedust” in some kind of frigg-en handwriting?! When I read the comic, all I could make out was a “T” at the end – I assumed that she had written “Bandit” and then blacked it out for some reason.
Well, the votes make perfect sense: the teams both vote for their long standing leaders: Bandit’s group for Bandit (with the exception of Rachel), and Byron’s group for Byron (with the exception of Frigg).
You say that, but of the three people who voted for Byron, one wasn’t actually there at the time of the TPK, one is banging him, and the other one is Byron.
I think it’s more telling that Frigg ISN’T voting for Byron.
Nah, it’s just an artifact of how the programmers designed the equipment system. Everything has a designated slot that gets used. Main hand weapons, off-hand shields, etc. etc. There are some variations programmed in based on character class, and some item types can be used in multiple ways. Like daggers, quite versatile. Main hand for several classes, off-hand for a few others, and some can even be stacked as throwing weapon ammo.
So all players voted for a player to be leader while almost all NPCs voted for a NPC to be leader? Man, the game´s/machine which host the game´s getting creepy…..
They’re all players, just some of them are plugged in at Hurricane, while Bandit, Rachel, Scip & E-Merl aren’t.
This is confirmed info by the way, some time after Bandit discovered Aurauga was trying to steal Graiya’s Bough, we’ve got HR saying one of the non-embedded players was the one to discover that.
Chapter 19, page 19 is the page where HR confirms that Bandit is indeed a player. The other ones aren’t actually confirmed, but it’s a safe assumption to say that they too are non-embedded players.
Was wondering how they decided the tied vote, but if Syringe misread Frigg’s handwritting (like a number of readers) then it wouldn’t have been a tied vote but a Florida-win
I really like this scene, particularly the shots of who each person chose. I mean, sure, there are the obvious ones, but the others are very much a look into where everyone’s heads are currently at. For instance, while Gravedust has clearly shown approval of Byron in the past pre-serker, I honestly did not expect Gravedust to be Frigg’s choice.
Working through the archives so I doubt anyone will see this but am I the only one who thought Scorpio had some kind of badass super pipe in the first panal
Frigg
Isn’t
Really
Stupid
Though
*slow clap*
Seriously though what is stupid about voting for Gravedust?
Nuthin’. Writing with your fist kinda is, tho.
She’s holding it like a dagger, everything is a weapon in the hands of Frigg.
That’s because she’s not happy about this vote.
To this day, that’s totally how I hold a pencil. My first grade teacher would NOT BE PLEASED
Have we ever seen her write though? She might be Illiterate, thus the frustration at being forced to write down her vote.
She’s writing just fine!
Her handwriting is even prettier than mine!
I find your avatar so appropriate.
Not Illiterate, maybe just doesn’t like having to write, or simply doesn’t like her handwriting (that is the case with me, because of brain trauma it rarely ever looks the same twice: basically having to relearn how to form the letters every time; know the concept, just not always sure how they will fit together)
Being stupid and being illiterate are orthogonal qualities though.
In pre-modern societies, like the one Arkherra is influenced by, it’s very common for completely bright people to also be totally illiterate.
And, in modern societies, it’s pretty much universal for people who are otherwise dumb as posts to be literate, if not well-read.
Orthogonal qualities ? O_o What do you mean, Kamino Neko ?
“In pre-modern societies, like the one Arkherra is influenced by, it’s very common for completely bright people to also be totally illiterate.
And, in modern societies, it’s pretty much universal for people who are otherwise dumb as posts to be literate, if not well-read.”
Still, huzzah for education ! Huzzah for mandatory school until 13 or 16 years of age (or so) !
It’s slang for mutually inclusive.
No, it means mutually independent. Sometimes it’s extended to mean mutually exclusive even, but I’m pretty sure Kamino Neko just meant that they had nothing to do with each other. Whether or not someone could read would have nothing to do with how intelligent they were and visa-versa.
I beg to differ basically because no one ever became an intellectual without ever being able to read.
Intellectual != intelligent.
Exactly.
My dad has trouble reading and always misspells simple words…yet can completely dismantle and rebuild pretty much anything and after he’s done it once can guide someone else in repairs over the phone…so yeah…it’s possible.
And you know what? Your father is still not an illiterate.
Genghis Khan
mutually independent things are mutually inclusive, otherwise they wouldn’t be completely independent. :)
saying that two things are”mutually independent” would mean that neither of them require the other for existence…or in other words…they are completely exclusive.
Surely independence requires there to be no relation, whereas exclusivity is a relation.
Alternatively, if two things are exclusive, then each places restrictions on the other, which means they affect each other, and are thus not independent.
Inclusion is also a relation – that means one contains the other.
Mutual inclusion would make the two sets in question identical.
Exactly. AFAIK A and B are mutually inclusive when both A→B and B→A.
That is to say, “mutually inclusive” doesn’t mean “may include eachother” but rather means “must include eachother”. However, looking at this, it is just a matter of symantics. Often times I’d see similiar ‘discrepencies’ when learning math from different sources. So yeah, I definitely see what Ahdok means. Although a fairly standardized body of terminology is a good thing in general (as is the case for math), the only important requirement is that one properly define the terms in question and that everyone agrees on the meanings of the specific terms within the context. The word ‘orthognal’ there is pretty useful in this regard though: I find it hard to confuse its meaning when I visualize the three dimensions of space and recall that they are “orthogonal” to eachother.
Yes, I meant independent, not exclusive. Orthogonal is too useful a word to muddy the definition.
… Go figure.
Nobody accused you of “trying to sound clever”.
They always accuse me of that whenever I use words of more than a couple of syllables. As if it actually takes effort. ¬_¬
Anyhow… *notes down “Orthogonal” for later familiarisation and utilisation*
And in actual reply to the content of the post to which I am “replying”… Text-Speak is killing literacy.
That is the kind of effort people should put in if they’re going to do ‘first’ posts.
Looks like the exit polls are favoring Ron Paul.
then we know it must be a fantasy
They have just been caught in a landslide…
So…close…must…be…funnier…
Rachel <3 Frigg
That’s the thing, does she love her (in the “let’s get sweaty physical together”)? or just worships her in a non-physical way?
1. We know Fr’Nj is in the fighting party. Doesn’t she get a vote? (Maybe she’s under 18)
2. Syr’Nj is writing with a wooden pencil. Isn’t that like using a dead finger bone to write with?
If you think that’s bad, take a look at the table. At least most of the buildings seem to be painted over…
Not really. Unless Gastonians make their pencils from elves (which, to be fair, is not impossible), it’s more like using a quill as a pen, or writing on parchment.
I guess you missed the whole “Wood elves are made of wood” part.
Incidentally, that must mean they weigh the same as a duck.
No, I didn’t miss that at all.
But birds, cows, goats, and sheep are totally made of flesh, just like we are, and we still use their body parts for writing with/on. (And for food, too!)
And elf using part of a non-sapient tree is no different than us using part of a non-sapient animal.
Could be wrong but I don’t think welves are literally made of wood. Their bodies posses some plant or wood-like properties but aren’t actual wood.
That depends how aroused they are.
Because if they were literally made from wood that would lead to all sorts of unfortunate splinter problems for Byron.
May we … burn them ?
*Hurray for the Monty Python reference ;-)*
*or, rather, NI !! NI !! NI !!*
…You do know what paper’s made from, right?
Who says they’re using paper? Wasn’t vellum parchment made of sheep skin?
Sheep skin ? Wasn’t it calf skin, concerning the vellum ? Because, you know, “vellum” means calf, in latin. If I remember well, that is.
Either way, parchment was not the processed pressed pulp of a papyrus plant.
I actually have a big blank skin parchment in my room right now, wairing for me to ink a big fantasy map onto it. It used to be a sheep.
Also, goat skin. “vellum” as a term specifically refers to lamb skin, I believe, but it’s come to be used to describe all animal skin “paper”.
Vellum is derived from the same latin word that gives you “veal” in English. Draw your own conclusions.
I think vellum’s relation to calf skin is just an etymological artifact, and it mostly refers to a grade of parchment, not the animal the skin came from (which could be cow, sheep, or goat).
According to this article by the US national archives, Vellum is calfskin parchment, and parchment can be made of other mammal skin.
http://www.archives.gov/preservation/formats/paper-vellum.html
However, the Wikipedia article on Vellum indicates that the French term Velin is strict in its meaning of calfskin, whereas the British usage of Vellum has been generalized to mean goat, sheep or calf skin.
so, I think there are different opinons depending on who you ask.
1) People used to make dip pens and fountain pens out of bone and you can find some still being made today.
2) So what? This is like feeding chicken to seagulls and listening to someone ask if that makes it cannibalism.
P.S. Panel 8.
I can’t reeeeeeead! :-(
I somehow imagine that Rachel has a fangirl diary filled with yuri fanfiction.
With drawings.
They’re not drawings. They’re illuminated illustrations.
I see what you did there.
(this post requires your avatar next to it).
I think it would have been more in character for each of Byron and Bandit to have voted for the opposite person XD
I’d tend to agree, but Byron seems to be back in a space where he could accept leadership and Bandit seems to be wanting to show her worth as part of the original group.
Plus, Bandit’s probably still a little sore from all the berzerking.
Especially that. And… she might be making the vote in joke, since here low self-esteem prevents her from predicting that three other people would vote her way too.
Well, two, but Syr is going to read Frigg’s vote as Randit, I predict.
That says Gravedust, I’m almost certain.
Yup, Bandit wrote ‘Gravedust’ (thought at first she simply scribbled out what she had written, but then deduced the name)
can anyone tell what Frigg scribbled over?
Looks a bit dusty. Could be a grave problem, considering how close the vote is…
look at HOW she’s writing, in the style of how 7 year olds write. I do think it’s Gravedust, but man she’s got writing issues
Kevin Grumbles.
Pete Best
Your Mom
Spoilers
No really, give it a second look and tell me you don’t see that now :D
Not much surprise in everybody’s votes, but I must admit, I’m a bit surprised Byron voted for himself.
Gravy would have been more in-character, I agree.
Didn’t you read the previous page? >_>
This is why you use instant runoff! First past the post stinks!
STV.
Well, 3 for Byron, 3 for Bandit, one for Frigg and a nix-paper …
As Plato would say … fuck.
I thought platonic meant…
Nevermind.
Take it from a teacher: Frigg’s paper says “Gravedust.”
Working in classrooms, you get good at deciphering indecipherable handwriting.
Those kids got nothing on Medical practitioners.
“FUCK!” – Archimedes
I read on Wikipedia he invented the “Archimedean Screw” sex move.
What, that is supposed to be “Gravedust” in some kind of frigg-en handwriting?! When I read the comic, all I could make out was a “T” at the end – I assumed that she had written “Bandit” and then blacked it out for some reason.
Well, the votes make perfect sense: the teams both vote for their long standing leaders: Bandit’s group for Bandit (with the exception of Rachel), and Byron’s group for Byron (with the exception of Frigg).
Also important to note that Byron’s team doesn’t blame him for the whole TPK thing.
You say that, but of the three people who voted for Byron, one wasn’t actually there at the time of the TPK, one is banging him, and the other one is Byron.
I think it’s more telling that Frigg ISN’T voting for Byron.
Everyone’s right-handed? No love for lefties.
Byron’s likely ambidextrous.
Unless this is 3.5e
Assuming the statistics hold across humanoid races, one of them probably should be left handed. It’s one in nine, right?
Statistics fail.
You are never guaranteed to get a proportional distribution, especially in a sample set that small.
Nah, it’s just an artifact of how the programmers designed the equipment system. Everything has a designated slot that gets used. Main hand weapons, off-hand shields, etc. etc. There are some variations programmed in based on character class, and some item types can be used in multiple ways. Like daggers, quite versatile. Main hand for several classes, off-hand for a few others, and some can even be stacked as throwing weapon ammo.
Oh yeah, it’s pretty easy to forget this is taking place in a game world sometimes.
And why am I always a girl? lol
If anybody has a hidden immunity idol, now would be the time to play it.
probably the first time I’ve seen Frigg out of armor but still wearing clothes…
I woulda thought bandit and byron woulda voted for each other, even given their recent outings.
wtf is that avatar?…
Looks like an anthro pony girl (a naked anthro pony girl), not as good as an anthro Rainbow Dash in a game played the other day, but close enough :P
So all players voted for a player to be leader while almost all NPCs voted for a NPC to be leader? Man, the game´s/machine which host the game´s getting creepy…..
They’re all players, just some of them are plugged in at Hurricane, while Bandit, Rachel, Scip & E-Merl aren’t.
This is confirmed info by the way, some time after Bandit discovered Aurauga was trying to steal Graiya’s Bough, we’ve got HR saying one of the non-embedded players was the one to discover that.
Chapter 19, page 19 is the page where HR confirms that Bandit is indeed a player. The other ones aren’t actually confirmed, but it’s a safe assumption to say that they too are non-embedded players.
Ok, so we have EP’s and NEP’s instead of PC’s and NPC’s? Cool
Wait a minute… I sense a conflict here… Your telling me they are all Right handed?
Not really, that’s just because of the standard mouse-keyboard combo.
Was wondering how they decided the tied vote, but if Syringe misread Frigg’s handwritting (like a number of readers) then it wouldn’t have been a tied vote but a Florida-win
Scip is almost talkative these days.
I really like this scene, particularly the shots of who each person chose. I mean, sure, there are the obvious ones, but the others are very much a look into where everyone’s heads are currently at. For instance, while Gravedust has clearly shown approval of Byron in the past pre-serker, I honestly did not expect Gravedust to be Frigg’s choice.
Working through the archives so I doubt anyone will see this but am I the only one who thought Scorpio had some kind of badass super pipe in the first panal
I returned to GA after two years and was rereading as well. Now I can’t unsee the pipe!