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New Comics Every M/W/F - Written by T Campbell & Phil Kahn - Illustrated by John & Jason Waltrip

I'm with Frigg... this looks SUSPICIOUSLY like homework.

Chapter 21 – Page 10

on February 27, 2013
Chapter: Chapter 21
└ Tags: Bandit, Byron, E-Merl, Frigg, Gravedust, Kur'ik, Rachel, Scipio, Syr'Nj
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  1. CloSeph
    CloSeph
    February 27, 2013, 12:02 am | # | Reply

    Frigg
    Isn’t
    Really
    Stupid
    Though

    • Shpla
      Shpla
      February 27, 2013, 12:05 am | # | Reply

      *slow clap*

      Seriously though what is stupid about voting for Gravedust?

      • biggmac
        biggmac
        February 27, 2013, 12:15 am | # | Reply

        Nuthin’. Writing with your fist kinda is, tho.

        • Fenlander
          Fenlander
          February 27, 2013, 4:40 am | # | Reply

          She’s holding it like a dagger, everything is a weapon in the hands of Frigg.

          • Hornet
            Hornet
            February 27, 2013, 11:07 am | # | Reply

            That’s because she’s not happy about this vote.

          • LockeZ
            LockeZ
            March 1, 2013, 1:52 am | # | Reply

            To this day, that’s totally how I hold a pencil. My first grade teacher would NOT BE PLEASED

      • SotiCoto
        SotiCoto
        January 22, 2015, 3:37 am | # | Reply

        What about voting for Tombdirt?

    • Crowfeathers
      Crowfeathers
      February 27, 2013, 12:41 am | # | Reply

      Have we ever seen her write though? She might be Illiterate, thus the frustration at being forced to write down her vote.

      • Andreas
        Andreas
        February 27, 2013, 2:20 am | # | Reply

        She’s writing just fine!
        Her handwriting is even prettier than mine!

        • InquisitiveCoder
          InquisitiveCoder
          February 27, 2013, 7:44 am | # | Reply

          I find your avatar so appropriate.

      • Guesticus
        Guesticus
        February 27, 2013, 8:53 am | # | Reply

        Not Illiterate, maybe just doesn’t like having to write, or simply doesn’t like her handwriting (that is the case with me, because of brain trauma it rarely ever looks the same twice: basically having to relearn how to form the letters every time; know the concept, just not always sure how they will fit together)

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      February 27, 2013, 1:30 am | # | Reply

      Being stupid and being illiterate are orthogonal qualities though.

      In pre-modern societies, like the one Arkherra is influenced by, it’s very common for completely bright people to also be totally illiterate.

      And, in modern societies, it’s pretty much universal for people who are otherwise dumb as posts to be literate, if not well-read.

      • Dog
        Dog
        February 27, 2013, 3:47 am | # | Reply

        Orthogonal qualities ? O_o What do you mean, Kamino Neko ?

        “In pre-modern societies, like the one Arkherra is influenced by, it’s very common for completely bright people to also be totally illiterate.

        And, in modern societies, it’s pretty much universal for people who are otherwise dumb as posts to be literate, if not well-read.”

        Still, huzzah for education ! Huzzah for mandatory school until 13 or 16 years of age (or so) !

        • ahdok
          ahdok
          February 27, 2013, 6:49 am | # | Reply

          It’s slang for mutually inclusive.

          • eschmenk
            eschmenk
            February 27, 2013, 10:47 am | # | Reply

            No, it means mutually independent. Sometimes it’s extended to mean mutually exclusive even, but I’m pretty sure Kamino Neko just meant that they had nothing to do with each other. Whether or not someone could read would have nothing to do with how intelligent they were and visa-versa.

            • Hornet
              Hornet
              February 27, 2013, 11:11 am | # | Reply

              I beg to differ basically because no one ever became an intellectual without ever being able to read.

              • Valdrax
                Valdrax
                February 27, 2013, 12:09 pm | # | Reply

                Intellectual != intelligent.

                • Kamino Neko
                  Kamino Neko
                  February 27, 2013, 7:58 pm | # | Reply

                  Exactly.

              • JediaKyrol
                JediaKyrol
                February 27, 2013, 2:49 pm | # | Reply

                My dad has trouble reading and always misspells simple words…yet can completely dismantle and rebuild pretty much anything and after he’s done it once can guide someone else in repairs over the phone…so yeah…it’s possible.

                • Hornet
                  Hornet
                  February 28, 2013, 12:48 pm | # | Reply

                  And you know what? Your father is still not an illiterate.

              • MichaelHaneline
                MichaelHaneline
                February 27, 2013, 6:05 pm | # | Reply

                Genghis Khan

            • ahdok
              ahdok
              February 27, 2013, 1:10 pm | # | Reply

              mutually independent things are mutually inclusive, otherwise they wouldn’t be completely independent. :)

              • JediaKyrol
                JediaKyrol
                February 27, 2013, 2:54 pm | # | Reply

                saying that two things are”mutually independent” would mean that neither of them require the other for existence…or in other words…they are completely exclusive.

                • ahdok
                  ahdok
                  February 27, 2013, 6:24 pm | # | Reply

                  Surely independence requires there to be no relation, whereas exclusivity is a relation.

                  Alternatively, if two things are exclusive, then each places restrictions on the other, which means they affect each other, and are thus not independent.

                  • Kamino Neko
                    Kamino Neko
                    February 27, 2013, 8:00 pm | # | Reply

                    Inclusion is also a relation – that means one contains the other.

                    Mutual inclusion would make the two sets in question identical.

                    • plaintextman
                      plaintextman
                      March 3, 2013, 6:39 am | #

                      Exactly. AFAIK A and B are mutually inclusive when both A→B and B→A.

                    • plaintextman
                      plaintextman
                      March 3, 2013, 6:53 am | #

                      That is to say, “mutually inclusive” doesn’t mean “may include eachother” but rather means “must include eachother”. However, looking at this, it is just a matter of symantics. Often times I’d see similiar ‘discrepencies’ when learning math from different sources. So yeah, I definitely see what Ahdok means. Although a fairly standardized body of terminology is a good thing in general (as is the case for math), the only important requirement is that one properly define the terms in question and that everyone agrees on the meanings of the specific terms within the context. The word ‘orthognal’ there is pretty useful in this regard though: I find it hard to confuse its meaning when I visualize the three dimensions of space and recall that they are “orthogonal” to eachother.

            • Kamino Neko
              Kamino Neko
              February 27, 2013, 8:02 pm | # | Reply

              Yes, I meant independent, not exclusive. Orthogonal is too useful a word to muddy the definition.

      • SotiCoto
        SotiCoto
        June 28, 2013, 6:46 am | # | Reply

        … Go figure.
        Nobody accused you of “trying to sound clever”.

        They always accuse me of that whenever I use words of more than a couple of syllables. As if it actually takes effort. ¬_¬

        Anyhow… *notes down “Orthogonal” for later familiarisation and utilisation*

        And in actual reply to the content of the post to which I am “replying”… Text-Speak is killing literacy.

    • Yarrr
      Yarrr
      February 27, 2013, 9:23 am | # | Reply

      That is the kind of effort people should put in if they’re going to do ‘first’ posts.

  2. coldelectrons
    coldelectrons
    February 27, 2013, 12:06 am | # | Reply

    Looks like the exit polls are favoring Ron Paul.

    • Jokerlope
      Jokerlope
      February 27, 2013, 12:29 am | # | Reply

      then we know it must be a fantasy

      Official Phil Kahn Gold Star

      • ahdok
        ahdok
        February 27, 2013, 6:52 am | # | Reply

        They have just been caught in a landslide…

      • coldelectrons
        coldelectrons
        February 27, 2013, 3:13 pm | # | Reply

        So…close…must…be…funnier…

  3. Bliggz
    Bliggz
    February 27, 2013, 12:17 am | # | Reply

    Rachel <3 Frigg

    • Guesticus
      Guesticus
      February 28, 2013, 10:21 am | # | Reply

      That’s the thing, does she love her (in the “let’s get sweaty physical together”)? or just worships her in a non-physical way?

  4. biggmac
    biggmac
    February 27, 2013, 12:28 am | # | Reply

    1. We know Fr’Nj is in the fighting party. Doesn’t she get a vote? (Maybe she’s under 18)
    2. Syr’Nj is writing with a wooden pencil. Isn’t that like using a dead finger bone to write with?

    • Aydr
      Aydr
      February 27, 2013, 12:52 am | # | Reply

      If you think that’s bad, take a look at the table. At least most of the buildings seem to be painted over…

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      February 27, 2013, 1:32 am | # | Reply

      2. Syr’Nj is writing with a wooden pencil. Isn’t that like using a dead finger bone to write with?

      Not really. Unless Gastonians make their pencils from elves (which, to be fair, is not impossible), it’s more like using a quill as a pen, or writing on parchment.

      • Andreas
        Andreas
        February 27, 2013, 2:23 am | # | Reply

        I guess you missed the whole “Wood elves are made of wood” part.
        Incidentally, that must mean they weigh the same as a duck.

        • Kamino Neko
          Kamino Neko
          February 27, 2013, 3:01 am | # | Reply

          No, I didn’t miss that at all.

          But birds, cows, goats, and sheep are totally made of flesh, just like we are, and we still use their body parts for writing with/on. (And for food, too!)

          And elf using part of a non-sapient tree is no different than us using part of a non-sapient animal.

          • Jean-Luc
            Jean-Luc
            February 27, 2013, 4:47 am | # | Reply

            Could be wrong but I don’t think welves are literally made of wood. Their bodies posses some plant or wood-like properties but aren’t actual wood.

            • ahdok
              ahdok
              February 27, 2013, 6:40 am | # | Reply

              That depends how aroused they are.

            • Dan Irving
              Dan Irving
              February 27, 2013, 10:19 am | # | Reply

              Because if they were literally made from wood that would lead to all sorts of unfortunate splinter problems for Byron.

        • Dog
          Dog
          February 27, 2013, 3:49 am | # | Reply

          May we … burn them ?
          *Hurray for the Monty Python reference ;-)*
          *or, rather, NI !! NI !! NI !!*

    • Nonsensicles
      Nonsensicles
      February 27, 2013, 2:55 am | # | Reply

      …You do know what paper’s made from, right?

      • Mujaki
        Mujaki
        February 27, 2013, 3:47 am | # | Reply

        Who says they’re using paper? Wasn’t vellum parchment made of sheep skin?

        • Dog
          Dog
          February 27, 2013, 3:50 am | # | Reply

          Sheep skin ? Wasn’t it calf skin, concerning the vellum ? Because, you know, “vellum” means calf, in latin. If I remember well, that is.

          • Mujaki
            Mujaki
            February 27, 2013, 4:02 am | # | Reply

            Either way, parchment was not the processed pressed pulp of a papyrus plant.

          • ahdok
            ahdok
            February 27, 2013, 6:42 am | # | Reply

            I actually have a big blank skin parchment in my room right now, wairing for me to ink a big fantasy map onto it. It used to be a sheep.

          • randomdude
            randomdude
            February 27, 2013, 1:34 pm | # | Reply

            Also, goat skin. “vellum” as a term specifically refers to lamb skin, I believe, but it’s come to be used to describe all animal skin “paper”.

            • kiwifb
              kiwifb
              February 27, 2013, 3:16 pm | # | Reply

              Vellum is derived from the same latin word that gives you “veal” in English. Draw your own conclusions.

          • Kamino Neko
            Kamino Neko
            February 27, 2013, 8:07 pm | # | Reply

            I think vellum’s relation to calf skin is just an etymological artifact, and it mostly refers to a grade of parchment, not the animal the skin came from (which could be cow, sheep, or goat).

            • Marble Gargle
              Marble Gargle
              February 27, 2013, 10:02 pm | # | Reply

              According to this article by the US national archives, Vellum is calfskin parchment, and parchment can be made of other mammal skin.

              http://www.archives.gov/preservation/formats/paper-vellum.html

              However, the Wikipedia article on Vellum indicates that the French term Velin is strict in its meaning of calfskin, whereas the British usage of Vellum has been generalized to mean goat, sheep or calf skin.

              so, I think there are different opinons depending on who you ask.

    • Valdrax
      Valdrax
      February 27, 2013, 12:16 pm | # | Reply

      1) People used to make dip pens and fountain pens out of bone and you can find some still being made today.
      2) So what? This is like feeding chicken to seagulls and listening to someone ask if that makes it cannibalism.

    • Valdrax
      Valdrax
      February 27, 2013, 12:22 pm | # | Reply

      P.S. Panel 8.

      • Valdrax
        Valdrax
        February 28, 2013, 2:08 am | # | Reply

        I can’t reeeeeeead! :-(

  5. coldelectrons
    coldelectrons
    February 27, 2013, 12:30 am | # | Reply

    I somehow imagine that Rachel has a fangirl diary filled with yuri fanfiction.

    With drawings.

    • Mujaki
      Mujaki
      February 27, 2013, 3:51 am | # | Reply

      They’re not drawings. They’re illuminated illustrations.

      • Lennier
        Lennier
        February 28, 2013, 12:48 am | # | Reply

        I see what you did there.
        (this post requires your avatar next to it).

  6. Kyn
    Kyn
    February 27, 2013, 12:30 am | # | Reply

    I think it would have been more in character for each of Byron and Bandit to have voted for the opposite person XD

    • Aydr
      Aydr
      February 27, 2013, 12:53 am | # | Reply

      I’d tend to agree, but Byron seems to be back in a space where he could accept leadership and Bandit seems to be wanting to show her worth as part of the original group.

      • Ishmael
        Ishmael
        February 27, 2013, 1:05 am | # | Reply

        Plus, Bandit’s probably still a little sore from all the berzerking.

        • Andreas
          Andreas
          February 27, 2013, 2:25 am | # | Reply

          Especially that. And… she might be making the vote in joke, since here low self-esteem prevents her from predicting that three other people would vote her way too.
          Well, two, but Syr is going to read Frigg’s vote as Randit, I predict.

          • Whatev
            Whatev
            February 27, 2013, 6:37 am | # | Reply

            That says Gravedust, I’m almost certain.

            • Guesticus
              Guesticus
              February 27, 2013, 8:58 am | # | Reply

              Yup, Bandit wrote ‘Gravedust’ (thought at first she simply scribbled out what she had written, but then deduced the name)

  7. Heheh
    Heheh
    February 27, 2013, 12:41 am | # | Reply

    can anyone tell what Frigg scribbled over?

    • Aydr
      Aydr
      February 27, 2013, 12:52 am | # | Reply

      Looks a bit dusty. Could be a grave problem, considering how close the vote is…

      • zero
        zero
        February 27, 2013, 7:38 am | # | Reply

        look at HOW she’s writing, in the style of how 7 year olds write. I do think it’s Gravedust, but man she’s got writing issues

    • Valdrax
      Valdrax
      February 27, 2013, 12:18 pm | # | Reply

      Kevin Grumbles.

    • kiwifb
      kiwifb
      February 27, 2013, 3:17 pm | # | Reply

      Pete Best

    • coldelectrons
      coldelectrons
      February 27, 2013, 3:20 pm | # | Reply

      Your Mom

    • Retired Guard Bee
      Retired Guard Bee
      February 27, 2013, 9:08 pm | # | Reply

      Spoilers

      No really, give it a second look and tell me you don’t see that now :D

  8. Kamino Neko
    Kamino Neko
    February 27, 2013, 1:40 am | # | Reply

    Not much surprise in everybody’s votes, but I must admit, I’m a bit surprised Byron voted for himself.

    • Andreas
      Andreas
      February 27, 2013, 2:26 am | # | Reply

      Gravy would have been more in-character, I agree.

    • Nonsensicles
      Nonsensicles
      February 27, 2013, 2:57 am | # | Reply

      Didn’t you read the previous page? >_>

  9. Swissaboo
    Swissaboo
    February 27, 2013, 2:20 am | # | Reply

    This is why you use instant runoff! First past the post stinks!

    • ahdok
      ahdok
      February 27, 2013, 6:45 am | # | Reply

      STV.

  10. Dog
    Dog
    February 27, 2013, 3:21 am | # | Reply

    Well, 3 for Byron, 3 for Bandit, one for Frigg and a nix-paper …

    As Plato would say … fuck.

    • Carl-E
      Carl-E
      February 27, 2013, 3:27 am | # | Reply

      I thought platonic meant…

      Nevermind.

    • Catbus
      Catbus
      February 27, 2013, 7:31 am | # | Reply

      Take it from a teacher: Frigg’s paper says “Gravedust.”

      Working in classrooms, you get good at deciphering indecipherable handwriting.

      • Hornet
        Hornet
        February 27, 2013, 11:20 am | # | Reply

        Those kids got nothing on Medical practitioners.

    • Phil
      Phil
      February 27, 2013, 2:22 pm | # | Reply

      “FUCK!” – Archimedes

      • coldelectrons
        coldelectrons
        February 27, 2013, 3:18 pm | # | Reply

        I read on Wikipedia he invented the “Archimedean Screw” sex move.

  11. Theodemus
    Theodemus
    February 27, 2013, 3:35 am | # | Reply

    What, that is supposed to be “Gravedust” in some kind of frigg-en handwriting?! When I read the comic, all I could make out was a “T” at the end – I assumed that she had written “Bandit” and then blacked it out for some reason.

  12. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    February 27, 2013, 3:37 am | # | Reply

    Well, the votes make perfect sense: the teams both vote for their long standing leaders: Bandit’s group for Bandit (with the exception of Rachel), and Byron’s group for Byron (with the exception of Frigg).

    • Orloth
      Orloth
      February 27, 2013, 3:48 am | # | Reply

      Also important to note that Byron’s team doesn’t blame him for the whole TPK thing.

      • Zakrael
        Zakrael
        February 27, 2013, 8:32 am | # | Reply

        You say that, but of the three people who voted for Byron, one wasn’t actually there at the time of the TPK, one is banging him, and the other one is Byron.

        I think it’s more telling that Frigg ISN’T voting for Byron.

  13. Red
    Red
    February 27, 2013, 3:49 am | # | Reply

    Everyone’s right-handed? No love for lefties.

    • Morpho
      Morpho
      February 27, 2013, 5:41 am | # | Reply

      Byron’s likely ambidextrous.

      Unless this is 3.5e

    • jdreyfuss
      jdreyfuss
      February 27, 2013, 7:25 am | # | Reply

      Assuming the statistics hold across humanoid races, one of them probably should be left handed. It’s one in nine, right?

      • Valdrax
        Valdrax
        February 27, 2013, 12:21 pm | # | Reply

        Statistics fail.

        You are never guaranteed to get a proportional distribution, especially in a sample set that small.

    • Mujaki
      Mujaki
      February 27, 2013, 11:54 am | # | Reply

      Nah, it’s just an artifact of how the programmers designed the equipment system. Everything has a designated slot that gets used. Main hand weapons, off-hand shields, etc. etc. There are some variations programmed in based on character class, and some item types can be used in multiple ways. Like daggers, quite versatile. Main hand for several classes, off-hand for a few others, and some can even be stacked as throwing weapon ammo.

      • Aniphx
        Aniphx
        February 27, 2013, 2:15 pm | # | Reply

        Oh yeah, it’s pretty easy to forget this is taking place in a game world sometimes.

        • Aniphx
          Aniphx
          February 27, 2013, 2:15 pm | # | Reply

          And why am I always a girl? lol

  14. Eric
    Eric
    February 27, 2013, 5:10 am | # | Reply

    If anybody has a hidden immunity idol, now would be the time to play it.

  15. zero
    zero
    February 27, 2013, 7:36 am | # | Reply

    probably the first time I’ve seen Frigg out of armor but still wearing clothes…

  16. Crissa
    Crissa
    February 27, 2013, 7:43 am | # | Reply

    I woulda thought bandit and byron woulda voted for each other, even given their recent outings.

    • Lennier
      Lennier
      February 28, 2013, 12:51 am | # | Reply

      wtf is that avatar?…

      • Guesticus
        Guesticus
        February 28, 2013, 10:27 am | # | Reply

        Looks like an anthro pony girl (a naked anthro pony girl), not as good as an anthro Rainbow Dash in a game played the other day, but close enough :P

  17. James Rye
    James Rye
    February 27, 2013, 8:04 am | # | Reply

    So all players voted for a player to be leader while almost all NPCs voted for a NPC to be leader? Man, the game´s/machine which host the game´s getting creepy…..

    • Tim
      Tim
      February 27, 2013, 6:39 pm | # | Reply

      They’re all players, just some of them are plugged in at Hurricane, while Bandit, Rachel, Scip & E-Merl aren’t.

      This is confirmed info by the way, some time after Bandit discovered Aurauga was trying to steal Graiya’s Bough, we’ve got HR saying one of the non-embedded players was the one to discover that.

      • Tim
        Tim
        February 27, 2013, 6:46 pm | # | Reply

        Chapter 19, page 19 is the page where HR confirms that Bandit is indeed a player. The other ones aren’t actually confirmed, but it’s a safe assumption to say that they too are non-embedded players.

        • Guesticus
          Guesticus
          February 28, 2013, 10:29 am | # | Reply

          Ok, so we have EP’s and NEP’s instead of PC’s and NPC’s? Cool

  18. Chris
    Chris
    February 27, 2013, 8:26 am | # | Reply

    Wait a minute… I sense a conflict here… Your telling me they are all Right handed?

    • coldelectrons
      coldelectrons
      February 27, 2013, 3:23 pm | # | Reply

      Not really, that’s just because of the standard mouse-keyboard combo.

  19. Guesticus
    Guesticus
    February 27, 2013, 9:04 am | # | Reply

    Was wondering how they decided the tied vote, but if Syringe misread Frigg’s handwritting (like a number of readers) then it wouldn’t have been a tied vote but a Florida-win

  20. Lennier
    Lennier
    February 28, 2013, 12:53 am | # | Reply

    Scip is almost talkative these days.

  21. thatguy
    thatguy
    June 3, 2013, 7:12 pm | # | Reply

    I really like this scene, particularly the shots of who each person chose. I mean, sure, there are the obvious ones, but the others are very much a look into where everyone’s heads are currently at. For instance, while Gravedust has clearly shown approval of Byron in the past pre-serker, I honestly did not expect Gravedust to be Frigg’s choice.

  22. BIGg
    BIGg
    August 19, 2013, 5:26 pm | # | Reply

    Working through the archives so I doubt anyone will see this but am I the only one who thought Scorpio had some kind of badass super pipe in the first panal

  23. UncaMo
    UncaMo
    August 21, 2013, 9:42 pm | # | Reply

    I returned to GA after two years and was rereading as well. Now I can’t unsee the pipe!

  24. NoodleKeeper
    NoodleKeeper
    March 5, 2015, 1:26 pm | # | Reply

    I just have to say. I really like that Frigg chose Gravedust.

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